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According to the Finnish criminal code (Link to translation - Chapter 34) there is only one potential penalty for a murder committed with terrorist intent - life in prison. Which means (given that the suspect is <21 years old) at least 10 years in prison without chance of a parole followed by additional prison time until the person is proven to the courts to have been rehabilitated. If that does not occur the prison sentence continues until he dies. For Finnish nationals that is. However given that the suspect is not a Finnish national or a refugee in Finland there are currently talks going on with Morocco so that they would imprison him instead. Regardless - he would be expelled/deported after the sentence...
No weight is added to the sentencing due to the fact that it was Terrorism?
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No weight is added to the sentencing due to the fact that it was Terrorism?
It is already the harshest possible penalty. So I'm not quite sure how any weight could be added to that.
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By leaving him alive the Finnish tax payer will have to pay to treat, feed and house him. Further they will have to pay for the court costs and subsequent jail time - what is the penalty for murder in Finland two or three years if they say sorry? After which he will be free to kill again.

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By leaving him alive the Finnish tax payer will have to pay to treat, feed and house him. Further they will have to pay for the court costs and subsequent jail time - what is the penalty for murder in Finland two or three years if they say sorry? After which he will be free to kill again.

Much better to shoot at the chest.
Unless it turns out to be a Brazilian electrician...
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It is already the harshest possible penalty. So I'm not quite sure how any weight could be added to that.
Death penalty.
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Death penalty.
Yup.

As it was explained on the last page, he could be free in 10 years. Send him to Morocco? He'd be a hero to them, and at worst end up in a luxury cell and making bank on the internet.
At best, he would be turned lose like that guy Scotland sent to Libya.
Remember him ?

I know, I know, European Leftists would rather be killed by Muslims that live with Right-wingers.
But who gave them the right to make that choice for all following generations?
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Death penalty.
Abolished. In accordance to the ECHR and quite a few other agreements. And also part of the reason why no terror suspects can be extradited to USA either. The other part is that the US punishment system in general is seen as cruel (and unusual).
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...(and unusual).
Hey, do as you please. Just as long as you admit that there is now nothing unusual about a Terrorist attack every 80 hours in the EU.
That now includes Finland, but not Poland or any other part of Visegrad.

Hmmm...
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Death penalty.
To someone who wants to die, death is not a penalty.
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To someone who wants to die, death is not a penalty.
He didn't die. A true believer would have made provisions to ensure his path to glory through honorable death. The guy was a miserable flunkee.

They say that a it is impossible to defeat an enemy that looks into the barrel of a gun and see paradise. He is not that enemy, he has already blinked.

To discourage other future flunkees, he must be set to example. Drawn and quartered by a team of boars. His remains fed to ravenous sows. And send his family the the bill. If they can't pay, bulldoze their home and send them into slavery in China.

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That is a rather strange (or self-absorbed) statement. Sarcasm just doesn't translate well online or even to other languages in all the cases. Especially with large variation in the language proficiency as well as in the style of expression. Which is the reason for the sarcasm emoticon/smiley.



As to actual case (without sarcasm) it appears that the main suspect lived in Germany in 2015 or so. Was registered (sort of) by German authorities and committed some petty crimes (and may have had arrest warrant after him there) there but didn't apply for an asylum in Germany which is why he didn't exist in the Eurodac database (so he technically was not due to be returned to Germany under Dublin agreement). At least two other 'Moroccans' who were detained may well be 'Algerians' since they too had been stopped in Germany as well as in Sweden (but again left outside of Eurodac) yet they gave different identities and countries of origin than what they did in Finland.
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Police now told us that (i) the suspect's name was not that he had used previously (and which had been released) but are instead withholding his name as the investigation continues, and (ii) that the suspect was older than 18-year old having been born in 1994. According to the information which the police in a way hinted to have been acquired both from Moroccan officials as well as from Europol.


As to the shooting... Why exactly is it that for the person's living in USA police shooting some one in the extremities is so odd? I mean here (read: Nordic countries, and fair bit of central Europe as well) it is the standard. Firing warning shots is common too.
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