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It looks like it was one of the Fascist organisations (they borrowed the idea, because they couldn't come up with it on their own), but it's unsurprising given rising tensions since the Brexit vote.

Sadiq Khan has already expressed condolences to the victims, and the local MP - Jeremy Corbyn, you may have heard of him - was on the scene first thing this morning.
No Khan said that terrorist attacks were normal in a city as London, and you have to live with it .
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Meanwhile, new terrorist attack in Paris : a car rammed intentionally a police car .


Of course, it is our fault
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The usual argument of the Muslim lobby .

1) first stage : Muslim terrorist attacks are not that bad : we must not overreact

2) second stage : we have also our responsibility


3 ) third stage : it is our fault


4 ) fourth stage : ban all criticism of Muslim terrorism We are already on the fourth stage :
after the attack on the London Bridge, 25 non Muslims are persecuted because they placed "hate " messages on the net .

after the attack in Manchester 2 Britons were arrested because they put on You Tube and Face Book a film of the burning of a Coran ,something which is legal .

We know that in 2017 every one is equal in Britain, but some (Ali,Mohamed,.) are more equal than John, James,....
What planet do you live on if you believe that criticism of Islamic terrorism is banned? There has been pretty much wall to wall criticism of the terrorists since the attacks.

Unless of course what you're really talking about is using the terrorist atrocities to attack all Muslims.
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Laughable. "Identity politics" are not "Marxist". They are Liberal. Marxists specifically oppose "identity politics" because they place the individual above the collective and thus undermine the possibility of collective action. For Marxists, there are only two significant groups - producers (workers, small farmers, artisans, etc etc) and those that control the means of production (corporations, banks, etc etc).
Your view would be consistent with "classical Marxism," but since the USSR's foray into the nationalities question, that division has faded to the point of irrelevance. As a matter of policy the USSR played it both ways: talked up the importance of the nationalities' uniqueness on the one hand, while persecuting any whiff of nationalism on the other. Since outside the ComBloc there has been no Marxist-inspired governance, Western Marxists have been left to talk the talk of "inclusivity" without the obligation of having to govern in that vein. In reality it's been a great example of Orwellian Doublethink.
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What planet do you live on if you believe that criticism of Islamic terrorism is banned? There has been pretty much wall to wall criticism of the terrorists since the attacks.

Unless of course what you're really talking about is using the terrorist atrocities to attack all Muslims.
But if what he's saying is true, some of those critics are being arrested. If so, he has a point. I would be curious about the arrests for hate speech. If they occured and these people were arrested for anything short of actually preaching violence against Muslims then his point is valid and the PC crowd in London needs to be stepped down.
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But if what he's saying is true, some of those critics are being arrested. If so, he has a point. I would be curious about the arrests for hate speech. If they occured and these people were arrested for anything short of actually preaching violence against Muslims then his point is valid and the PC crowd in London needs to be stepped down.

It all comes down to who/what becomes the arbitrator of what "hate" speech actually is. While political affiliations may sway that arbitration more to one way than the other is a given, but from my observation the biggest problem is that line shifts almost constantly and no general consensus appears possible. That said, I don't think it should be an arrestable offense with the exception of incitement to violence.
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What planet do you live on if you believe that criticism of Islamic terrorism is banned? There has been pretty much wall to wall criticism of the terrorists since the attacks.

Unless of course what you're really talking about is using the terrorist atrocities to attack all Muslims.
You simply do not understand: among those who use random violence to advance a political agenda -- aka terrorists -- some are bad, and some are good. Besides, the argument here all boils down to, "but they started it!" It's on that basis that the terrorists' partisans are willing to support their Joe's against "the other guys."

In short, they're fcking morons!
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Isn't that that same argument that the terrorists use?
They started this war and they and anyone else shouldn't be surprised that their enemies will fight back one way or another.
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They started this war and they and anyone else shouldn't be surprised that their enemies will fight back one way or another.
Dunno if this is sarcasm or not.

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Dunno if this is sarcasm or not.
Lay good money that that halfwit actually believes that.

As if researching the conflict all the way back to Noah's son Ham would be in any way relevant today . . . .
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Lay good money that that halfwit actually believes that.

As if researching the conflict all the way back to Noah's son Ham would be in any way relevant today . . . .
I love White people and don't want Muslims to have their fun killing us in our countries something you couldn't ever understand there Soviet twit.
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I love White people and don't want Muslims to have their fun killing us in our countries something you couldn't ever understand there Soviet twit.
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Lay good money that that halfwit actually believes that.

As if researching the conflict all the way back to Noah's son Ham would be in any way relevant today . . . .
That would have been my bet as well. Apparently everyone is a liberal/socialist/marxist/progressive with no moral values these days.
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What planet do you live on if you believe that criticism of Islamic terrorism is banned? There has been pretty much wall to wall criticism of the terrorists since the attacks.

Unless of course what you're really talking about is using the terrorist atrocities to attack all Muslims.
The case of the 2 people arrested because showing on You Tube a film of the burning of a Coran was mentioned by the Sun, the Daily Mail and Metro .
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