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Regardless, as things stand, Russia is invested in Ukrainian failure. That's not to say the Ukrainians won't also screw up themselves. It's just that it's actually helpful for Russia if they do. The risks for Russia only come online if Ukraine makes some kind of success out of itself.
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Doubtful, because the last time there was a failed state closely connected to Russia ( Chechneya) things were just perfect!
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Ukraine is increasingly becoming less connected to Russia. As in like actively making sure of it. Tendency seems pretty clear, even should it screw up in the process.
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The risks for Russia only come online if Ukraine makes some kind of success out of itself.
Unlikely. I believe, Ukraine will remain a state troubled both politically and economically in the near future, unless some miracle happens. The Russian interest would be to decrease transit dependence and adsorb and assimilate as a large as possible part of economically active population.
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Ukrainian Ministry for Economy and Trade reports a decrease in industrial production during the last three months. According to their data in April 2017 industrial production was 6.1% less than in April 2016. The effect is mostly attributed to the transport blockade of Donbass, energy and metal industry suffered the most.
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Ukrainian General Prosecutor admits in parliament torture of hundreds of prisoners ...

and no reaction at all !!!





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Yesterday in the Verkhovna Rada, Pan Lutsenko spoke with a report on his prosecutor's work. The report is a masterpiece. Reading it and answering questions, this so-called prosecutor, who does not have a legal education, I marvel. Although what's surprising if you just look at the composition of the "Supreme Zrday", where half the people's deputies without education, it seems that it is not Rada and Ragul village council.


Well, we digress ...

Here literally casually this grief the public prosecutor has told about materials of investigation of crimes in a zone so-called АТО. And not a single Ukrainian member of parliament was interested in this phrase:

"About 800 people were questioned, it was a question of people being tortured with an electric shock, taking off their skin alive, being forced to walk around the minefield and a lot more ... So let's respect the military prosecutors," Lutsenko said.

Whoa, who did it all? And for that respect the military prosecutors? I would like to be more specific about this phrase.

I can say that a concentration camp has been set up at the Mariupol airport today, where people are tortured with electric shocks, put in refrigerators, heated, skinned, raped, beaten to the death. And the so-called prosecutor, does not know that apart from the investigation, right now, and at this moment, torture is carried out ?! Or is there a caste of whites and blacks in Ukraine?

Knows all this, the so-called prosecutor. Everyone knows that he and all his subordinates know how the SBU officers conduct torture. Pens want to wash off the blood, will not work.

The world slowly but surely begins to understand who came to power in Ukraine ... And there will be a court, a people's court ... I know it. Where every creature of the Ukrainian clan will suffer a terrible fate, and some will not live to see the court, the people remember everything and take revenge ...

http://voicesevas.ru/news/31938-otch...-zone-ato.html
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In a war so grim, bloody and sad, a little humor is welcomed.

From today's DNR daily briefing

https://dninews.com/article/donetsk-...eport-05302017

And in conclusion, I want to dwell on the genocide of pigs, which is charged to our units, allegedly when two swine farms are attacked in the territory controlled by the AFU. We understand that pig farms are the best place for the deployment of Ukrainian units, nevertheless, only the fact of Ukrainian nationalists' residence on their territory could damage these crucial objects. Moreover, pig farms have ceased functioning since the arrival of elite units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in 2014.

It seems to me that the Ukrainian command with such messages is simply trying to get money from the local administration for the improvement of its habitation.

Vice-Commander of the DPR People's Militia, Colonel Eduard Basurin, official translation by DONi News Agency


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Daily meat grinder goes on and on. Ukrainian forces starting to run low on ammo. More on this at a later time.

This morning following increased escalation in the Lugansk front wich used to be somewhat more calmn than Donetsk front, there was a intense bombardment and local attack by Ukrainian forces. Cassad as always, underestimates the fighting and says it's just a recon in force by a company at most. Based on past experience and the heavy artillery and armor involved, I think it's larger than that, a battallion sized grouping.

http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/06/ukr...ull-scale.html
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Source, Lena Sorokina, with the militia, Prizrak Brigade

24:00h


Message from a friend.

"Hello, at 22:00 hours the infantry attacks (except artillery) have ceased." The sons of bitches reinforce the positions occupied in the heights. Now the Ukros ask us permission to pick up the pieces of their men from the branches of trees.There is help from all, the Cossacks of Lugansk, everybody. Do not know who holds Zhelobok, is not clear (at 21:00 have said it is ours, but I do not know.) The Ukros attack Donetskiy "


Preliminary analysis by Yura Sumy. (in Russian, but readable with auto trans)

http://naspravdi.info/novosti/boi-za...rubyy-analiz-0
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85% of Ukrainians believe their country is in the state of chaos and 75% - in the state of decay according to a latest opinion poll held this May. About 2/3 see incompetence and corruption of the present government as the main cause of turmoil:
http://ratinggroup.ua/en/research/uk...v_ukraine.html
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Well, a few months ago I tried to ask what it would take to end the war. With the new guy Trump coming in, some sort of action along the lines of a peaceful resolution seemed possible

The message I got was that both sides liked having the war too much to let it go.

Will the starvation of ammunition change that?
Will any other solution than a Transdneister-style Rump State be possible?
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Well, a few months ago I tried to ask what it would take to end the war.
I told you, and I will spend some time to tell you what is blinding obvious if you stopped for a minute viewing hysterical Russophobic propaganda and using your brain. Your media are lying to you and you have no clue of what's going on. If you did, you would be horrified, if you were a decent human being, something wich I seriously doubt about some posters here (not you Exorcist)

The USA and Germany should get the out of Ukraine,as you have absolutely no business there, stop supporting that genocidal dictatorship and let the Russian people settle scores with the ukranazis and the oligarchs.

The American and German started this war and keep it going. When the you Americans are going to wake up and realize the attrocities your governments are doing all around the globe all around the time? You are not better than the Nazis, as for the Germans, once a Nazi, always a Nazi.

Russian people of the Ukraine had the right to say "NO" to the European Union and NATO. People in Washington and Berlin did not like that and supported the Maidan coup to overthrow Yanukovich and supported the junta to wage war of extermination on the Russian people of Ukraine.

The problem with American and German imperialists is that you cannot accept there are countries in Europe that do not want part to be of the German Reich and vassals of Washington through NATO. There's nothing more obscene that after making war on Serbia, than coercing that country to join EU and NATO, except for the genocide going on Ukraine of course.

You can't accept giving freedom to the Russian people of Latvia and Estonia to choose Russia, like the people of Crimea did.

You Americans are the Empire of Evil and NATO is your tool to keep the European Union, your troops have absolutely no business in Europe, and whatever your quarrel with Russia, you don't have the right to turn Europe into your battleground and force Europeans to fight Russia.

Europe for the Europeans. We will sort out things with Germany ourselves.

I hate your criminal US goverment, I hate your criminal US soldiers training and aiding the Ukrainian war criminals, and I hate the stupid brainwashed masses in your country that believe Russia is your enemy and that believe Americans have a God given right to impose their rule all over the world. You are the same as the German Nazis and their belief that they were the master race. Only you are more hypocritical about it.

During the Cold War the US might have seen as the lesser evil when compared with the threat of communism and global revolution. Now is plain to see that the US is not the lesser evil, is just plain evil. Even for Western Europe, you are not a friend, not even a business partner, but a competitor.


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No way. The Russian people of Ukraine can't live along the other half of the country that tries to kill them. Breakup of the country is the only solution, or a thoroguh denazification of the country, wich would involve a mass purge.

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The message I got was that both sides liked having the war too much to let it go.
You got it wrong. The people that are not willing to let it go are your in Washington.

https://en.news-front.info/2017/06/1...d-for-ukraine/

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In conclusion, the report suggests that the settlement of the Ukrainian crisis is possible only in the event of a compromise among all the external players. However, the compromise is highly unlikely: Russia does not want Ukraine to be consolidated along Western and anti-Russian lines. The West doesn’t want Ukraine to be consolidated along pro-Russian lines.
So only solution would be to carve up the country in two like Germany or Korea. The problem with it is that for USA and Germany, anything that is not complete victory is utter defeat.

Wether you realize it or not, your country , the USA, is already at war with Russia. The stakes are global hegemony for the US elite and national survival for Russia.

As for what will happen in the Ukraine front.

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When the Ukraine regime cannot keep the war effort, either by lack of men, ammo, or money, yes, war might end, but because the regime is completely unable to make peace, or keep Ukraine's economy afloat, then end of the war means not peace but defeat, and the weakness would then logically allow the Novorussians to fight back to liberate Donetsk and Lugansk, wich inexorably would lead to the collapse of Ukraine. Anything that is not complete victory is complete defeat.

Only foreign intervention in the form of massive economical and military aid would perhaps stabilize Western Ukraine as a protectorate, but that would lead surely to war with Russia.

The Ukraine regime is untenable. Either it goes down in a bang in a final offensive this summer, wich in turns leads to Novorussian liberation offensive, or the war peters out through attrition and the Novorussians go onto the attack next year to get their land back, because it will be certain that there will no negotiated settlement, the junta can not make pace, only can surrender.

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The present frontline is the result of Russia not allowing the Novorussians to finish off the Ukrainian army in 2014. Donbass will never accept this as a border, they will go on to liberate the whole of Donetsk and Lugansk, and that in turn will lead to the destruction of Ukraine and the rebirth of Novorussia, encompassing all East and South of Ukraine.

Partition of Ukraine is unavoidable. I don't know how long it will take, and were the border lines will be, but is no longer viable as a buffer state. Either Kiev becomes Russian again, or the next war will have NATO tanks driving onto Moscow.

The only language the Americans understand is force. Since no peaceful coexistence is at all possible with the US Deep State hellbent on the destruction of Russia, this war will only end when the US proxies are defeated and those in Washington decide is not worth anymore to keep propping up the Kiev junta. In Siria the US has already lost the war. In Ukraine the final reckoning will take some more, or perhaps this year if the Ukrainians decide to go down fighting.

Trump is only a postponement in the confrontation, unless he manages to steer the US against China as the main adversary, or something else happens. War in this front will be over when the US gets distracted or engaged in another war, the Afghanistan quagmire, Korea, or perhaps Iran.

The sooner you Americans realize your global hegemony is over and you can't go around the world toppling governments and invading countries at your pleasure, the better for yourselves and the world as a whole. Else you will collapse like all empires in history. Though this time, you might end having your cities nuked.

So any of you forum posters that support the US and Germany and the rest of EU policy in Ukraine and refuse to acknowledge the war you have provoked and the attrocities you are supporting, must realize that makes you accomplice to murder. By refusing to accept the truth you are killers, as guilty as the Ukrainian monsters that shelled a maternity ward and killed Kristina and her baby, and the more than ten thousand civilians assasinated by Kiev forces since 2014.

This is what you have done.

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Another Novorussian success.


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Sighted in Kharkov a column of recovery trucks carrying what appear to be the remains of a battery of Uragan heavy rocket launchers, the other remains may be crane reload trucks.




I do not know why they salvage .. Perhaps as the rocket launchers are such a simple weapon it is possible to salvage the tubes and take them to Kharkov to repair them and mount them in another truck chassis. Most likely they will attempt to rebuild a couple cannibalizing pieces from the others.

It has probably happened recently. If they were destroyed during 2014 they would have been taken away already. It seems the video is current, citing a Ukrainian TV channel. And the clouds coincide with the weather in Kharkov these days.


These monsters have a range of 30 km. It is unlikely that the Ukros were so foolish as to bring them close enough to be hit by Novorussian artillery. Although rebels also have some Uragan and could have used them for counter battery.


From the look, the hauling trucks burned and the flames burned the tubes from below. In some the painting is intact and in another it is half burned.

If they had been hit by artillery, the tubes would have to be punctured by frasgments. All I see is a couple of broken upper tubes in some. I imagine that when the flames were heated, the propellant of the missile exploded and the tube burst.


I suspect it was a success for the partisans, or a group of sabotage that went deep into the rear and the convoy of the battery fell in an ambush on the road. Simply machine-gun into the truck's fuel tank and wait for the fire to do its job.

Seems the Ukrops are not safe in their rear areas.
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That whole post is so completely over the top that I didn't even want to answer it.
However, going with the assumption that your voice is the typical one and it represents the Donblas Russian point of view, I will tackle a few parts of it-

And keep something in mind; in order to be on the Left in the USA, one is required to be anti-Russian. This is no joke, they are fixated on rumors of Russian tampering and have gone full-scale McCarthy on all things Russian, which is not only blatantly self=serving but also unfounded and ridiculous... but try telling THEM that.




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The present frontline is the result of Russia not allowing the Novorussians to finish off the Ukrainian army in 2014. Donbass will never accept this as a border, they will go on to liberate the whole of Donetsk and Lugansk, and that in turn will lead to the destruction of Ukraine and the rebirth of Novorussia, encompassing all East and South of Ukraine.
Nope. If I were Trump, I would insist that any part of the Ukraine that breaks away should be absorbed directly into Russia.
As was the case with the Crimea.

And if the Russians themselves are holding the Donbas Russians back, it means that even they are taken aback by the wild fanaticism of the people who are determined to become the Palestinians of Russia.

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Partition of Ukraine is unavoidable. I don't know how long it will take, and were the border lines will be, but is no longer viable as a buffer state. Either Kiev becomes Russian again, or the next war will have NATO tanks driving onto Moscow.
Kiev was Russian?
Interesting, but last I heard, it was the capitol of Ukraine. Seems to me, the cry of Lebensraum is being issued by mouths that also call the Ukraine people Nazis.

NATO tanks going to Moscow?
What, all 300 of them?
I guess you missed the part where Trump was berating them for their own deal-breaking and their unwillingness to fund their own defense.

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The only language the Americans understand is force. Since no peaceful coexistence is at all possible with the US Deep State hellbent on the destruction of Russia, this war will only end when the US proxies are defeated and those in Washington decide is not worth anymore to keep propping up the Kiev junta. In Siria the US has already lost the war. In Ukraine the final reckoning will take some more, or perhaps this year if the Ukrainians decide to go down fighting.
Sergie Eisnestein could not have said it more stridently, and gotten more of it wrong.

If all the US understood was force, then we would have occupied all of the Russians in 1992, and half the people living inside the border of the old USSR would have helped us do it.

Yes, there is a problem with the Deep State in the US. The problem being; we are getting to be too much like the rest of the world, and it is just as harmful to us as it is to the rest of you.

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Trump is only a postponement in the confrontation, unless he manages to steer the US against China as the main adversary, or something else happens. War in this front will be over when the US gets distracted or engaged in another war, the Afghanistan quagmire, Korea, or perhaps Iran.
What.... you are trying to divert our energies to a war with China?
Yeah, that will really make a dent in a couple dozen advisors in eastern Europe!
Not.
I know you hate us with every fiber of your being, but this is not even rational.

IMHO, the US needs to abandon Europe and Europeans entirely, leave the Muddle East to the tender mercies of the Chinese Military, and look to the Orient for alliances and trade partners.
For one thing, Asians have not killed nearly as many Americans as Europeans have, over the centuries. They are also much more pragmatic, realistic and businesslike.

The only real quagmire I see is the geo-political situation in everything from the English Channel to the Caspian Sea.
And they did it to themselves.

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The sooner you Americans realize your global hegemony is over and you can't go around the world toppling governments and invading countries at your pleasure, the better for yourselves and the world as a whole. Else you will collapse like all empires in history. Though this time, you might end having your cities nuked.
So, more hate, and a direct threat to slaughter us all.
Speaking of fanaticism... this makes me more glad than ever that a guy like Putin is still in charge.

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So any of you forum posters that support the US and Germany and the rest of EU policy in Ukraine and refuse to acknowledge the war you have provoked and the attrocities you are supporting, must realize that makes you accomplice to murder. By refusing to accept the truth you are killers, as guilty as the Ukrainian monsters that shelled a maternity ward and killed Kristina and her baby, and the more than ten thousand civilians assasinated by Kiev forces since 2014.
What kind of thought process turns a burst of artillery fire into "assassination"?

And since it is Russian Hegemony that you advocate, it looks pretty strange that you would damn everyone else in the world that would play the same game the same way for the same stakes in the very same place.

So, with no hope of the war never ending, I am tuning out.
Don't bother to reply, the Ignore List is where you are going right after I finish this.
And so is this whole subject, as far as I am concerned.
The Middle East teaches us that some causes are truly lost, no matter what anyone tries to do about it.
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That whole post is so completely over the top that I didn't even want to answer it.
You can't handle the truth. Your country leaders and armed forces are war criminals, and the American people are willing or unwilling accomplices to them. I protest against my government inmoral and illegal actions, I stand against the liesof the media and telling anybody that is listening what is happening. I take a stand in defense of what is good and just. And you? What do you do?



Of course I am incensed. Think about how you felt when 9/11 happened in New York, and you can imagine how I feel. Didn't you feel hate towards the people that killed three thousand Americans?


That's how I feel. And we have lost three times as much people, only in innocent civilians. Not counting soldiers. I am not a Russian. I have no Russian passport even. But these are my fellow human beings and I they are my people in heart.



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What kind of thought process turns a burst of artillery fire into "assassination"?

What kind of thought process denies the evidence of mass murder when you have it in the front of your eyes?

This is not collateral damage, and unfortunate consequence of war,this and thousands of other examples are war crimes.

Firing at downtown Donetsk, taking deliberately aim at a maternity hospital, is nothing more than an assasination, of th emost heinous class, of women and children.

Shooting rockets from a plane at downtown Lugansk, in a plaza with people walking about is murder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rWjuZYIiMI

There are countless examples, caught on tape. Firing at high rise appartments in city centers instead at frontline positions. In July 2014 a Ukrainian jet dropped bombs on people that were bathing at a lake beach. In august 2015 they did the same with artillery


And it is just not the army and the paramilitary gangs.. It's the populace that supports them. The Odessa massacre in the Trade Unions House. The Ukrainian nazis burned people alive, and shot and beat to death people that jumped out of windows to escape the fire. This was caught live on streaming and watched in message boards. We saw it happen in real time, so don't tell me **** that it was an accidental fire.

This is no isolated incident of a bunch of extremists. The problem is that a large part of Western Ukraine are like this. The following day thousands were cheering in social networks about roasting alive the "Colorados". This war happens because half the Ukrainians have been brainwashed during twenty years in hating the other Russian half of the country. Can't you see that? This war happens because one half of the country does not wat to die at the hands of the other half and they rose to fight.

Do you realize what sick, homicidal maniacs you are supporting? Do you realize that the Ukrainian population is as batshit crazy as Nazi Germany? In the West they did not their sons are being sent to war to kill they countrymen, they only protested because they were being sent to the front without ballistcs vests!


And that was just the beginning. The Ukrainian forces have been firing systematically at civilian targets with everything they have, they have shelled hospitals, markets, city blocks, water supply, schools...everything, for years. Not to mention blockading the cities to kill the inhabitants through starvation. If it weren't for the food aid convoys Russia sends, tens of thousands more would have perished. Nobody likes to think of it, but thousands of old and sick people died from starvation, exposure or lack of medical aid.

The attrocities the Ukrainian troops have been daily perpetrating for the past years with the blessing of US and Germany governments are war crimes, and crimes against humanity
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That's the side your Obama government supported and bankrolled. That's the side your American soldiers are training. Your country is part and accomplice to war crimes , and don't even get me started on what you have done in Syria.

Can't you realize why I hate them, just yet? And all the scores of liars and delusional fools that live in their fantasy world and don't have the courage to open the eyes and see the heinous attrocities that are being perpetrated under the cover of "European values".


You Exorcist, are on the same league as the German population that refused to think about what the Nazis were doing to the Jews, and are looking the other way and pretend you have seen nothing.

What are you going to say after the Ukraine regime is defeated and the truth about their crimes cannot be longer be hidden? Shellings aside, what they have been doing in the territory under their control, the torture, the muders , the rapes, the plans for genocide of the Donbass people, hell, Ukrainian leaders and journalists have said as much live on TV, but that has never reported on Western media, did it?


And it's not the first thing the USA has done this, waging a totally unprovoked war of aggression and supporting genocidal regimes. Other Europeans might be grateful to you for liberating them from the Nazis. As a Spaniard, I have nothing to be grateful to you and reasons to despise you. The USA made an unprovoked war on aggression on Spain in 1898, with the aim of turning Cuba and the Philippines into colonies. Did you know about that?
Nobody in the USA wants to recall that your army slaughtered about a million Filipinos, after "liberating" them from Spain. Do they teach that in schools there? Of course not!

We don't have to go that far. Your governments were all pals with all the Central and South America fascists dictatorships. Read about the Argentina junta tortures, or the civil war in Guatemala, or Honduras.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_...m_1976_to_1983


Cannot you realize you are on the evil side here? The USA, and Germany, and the European Union , are all in various degrees guilty of instigating and keeping on this war?



Can't see you how odd is the hysterical and incessant howling about Syrian civilians being killed by Russian bombs in Aleppo, and not a single mention of the civilians killed by the Ukrainian army in Donbass?

Last time there was a major war in Europe, back in the 1990s, there were journalists and cameras reporting what was happening in Yugoslavia, like the shellings of Sarajevo, or how Grozmny in Chechnya was razed. But the people of Donbass are invisible. Doesn't that black hole in the information coverage makes you suspicious? Why they are hiding the war? Why they don't tell us what is really happening?

Because they can't. There's nothing more despicable and heinous that what has been done in Ukraine. Overthowing a government, and igniting a civil war of extermination in order to weaken Russia and for gas.

And I don't see things changing with Trump, because it's all too evident your politicians are little more than for show. I personally view the man with sympathy but the

There are too much people in positions of power in your military industrial complex ,big business, intelligence services and political establishment striving to attain American hegemony in the world and desiring wars for their own gain, that not even a elected president with a popular mandate can do much to change course, specially when half the population has been brainwashed into thinking Russia is an enemy that must be destroyed.


Exorcist, I took the trouble of writing all this, because I am appealing to you because all things considered, I think you are a decent human being and capable of reasoning thought.


Other posters there, well, they are beyond hope, they hate Russia and want to kill Russians, and I hate them back. You cannot reason with people that want to murder you for no reason, you can only get a rock and smash their head before they do the same to you.


You are calling me a fanatic wich is insulting and unjust because it is not true.

I am a passionate person and have a high sense of justice, so naturally I react with indignation and anger at a war of naked aggression so unjust and heinous. The Russian people, inside and outside of Russia, don't deserve what is being done to them. I would support them anyway because their cause is just.

On a personal level, since my wife is from Crimea, I have seen with my own eyes all the lies and injustices and ignominy that have been showered on a people that only wanted to be free from foreign occupation and live with their own countrymen. I knew nothing about Ukraine and Russia when I went there ten years ago to meet my wife.

My only previous contact with the former Soviet people was that in the early 2000s my parents hired a Ukrainian maid from Western Ukraine and we took at face value their tales that the Ukrainians were not Russian, more like Polish and how she hated Russia and yadda yadda. In my misspent youth I was a Germanophile and strongly anticommunist on account of my family being on the Nationalist side during the Spanish Civil War. In short, I believed that the Russians, at least in Soviet times, had horns and hooves.

I believed the newspapers, at least in regard to international matters. I thought NATO was doing the right thing about bombing those Serbian bastards. I believed the reporting about the Orange Revolution in Ukraine.

All that distorted view of the world comes down like a house of cards after a few hours of talking to Russian people for the first time and a few days of traveling through Russia.


I support the Russian people, not because my wife is Russian and my child has Russian blood, but because the two things I value most in the world are truth and justice.

I cannot stand the lies told about Crimea and Russia. Because they are reducing my wife to an object. No one in the West bothers to ask the Crimeans what they think, what they want, how they feel, because no one would like the answers.

Thanks to Russia my wife's family, her friends wich are also mine, children like my own, the people of Crimea are safe, proud and happy. They don't have to be afraid anymore of Ukrainian murdering hate filled maniacs that want to kill them and steal their land. They never were Ukrainians, and they never asked to be kidnapped and thrown into a artificial made up state, a prison of peoples, existing only as a means to weaken Russia, satisfy the power hunger and greed of local politicos and oligarchs, and the nationalists delusions of renegade Russians semi-polonized from Galitzia.


This is good and fair, and I want the same thing for the Donbass people, and all the Russian people of Ukraine. Putting myself in the place of a Russian, the right to live in peace in our own land, speaking our language an having our own customs, to cherish the memory and deeds of our ancestors, and being ruled by our own, in a world, to be again back part of the Russian world. Borders be damned. Screw you in the West if you don't like.

Russians and Western Ukrainians cannot live anymore in the same country. You can't live with a neighbour that wants to kill you. What is the point of a Ukrainian state to the people that live there? They should be free to make their own choice about how they want to live their lives. If the state doesn't grant the basic human rights, bread and peace, it doesn't deserve to exist anymore.

What does Ukraine and the West offer the Russian people of Crimea and Ukraine? You have nothing to offer but hate, oppression, poverty, injustice and death.

And if it's not sufficiently clear, I will repeat in case you come back with the idiotic comment "then leave and go to Russia".

You are an American and seems you have a hard time understanding the concept because you Americans can and do move around your country, changing jobs and cities. You don't understand territory and heritage and history as Europeans do, because in comparison to us, you have none, you are a new people, without roots, barely above nomads.

Land to us is not just where we live, but what our ancestors, generations of them, won by the sword against enemies and defended to keep it, and built on it, for centuries. It's not just the few square meters of your house, but the streets, the monuments, the churches, sometimes centuries old, the countryside.

It's the land of our fathers, and our legacy to our children. It might not amount to much, or not be specially appealing or rich, but is our home, our turf, and we would rather fight and die for it rather than being thrown out of it. We don't just pick our things and leave to live elsewhere on a whim. We Europeans are much more attached to community than you Americans, we stay close to our family, relatives, and friends. You can't just sever all those ties and move to another place. Even in modern times, most people remain attached to their hometown.


So after that exposition you might understand bettter that the Russians in Ukraine are not colonists in a foreign country, they don't have to go anywhere because they are already in Russia.

Crimea is not Ukraine . Donbass is not Ukraine. They are Russian lands and never so-called Ukrainians lived there. It's Ukrainians who are the occupiers, not the Russians. The people of West Ukraine have no right whatsoever to claim these lands as their own. Period.

It gets worse than that. Ukraine is Russia. All the territory of that artificial construct called Ukraine was the craddle of Russia before the Mongols came and razed Kiev destroying the Kievan Rus.

For the next centuries, like Poland, there was no Russian kingdom, but the Russian people remained, under occupation by various foreign powers. Chiefly the Polish-Lithuanian and the Tatars and Turks, while more to the north, a Russian state was born and after overthrowing the Mongol yoke it over the centuries rebuilt the Russian nation, liberating the Russian peoples.

Ukrainian nationalists are just renegade Rusyns (called Ruthenians by the Austrians for the sake of avoiding confusion) from Galitzia, strongly Polonized. And is unfair that all Western Ukraine is nationalist, because e other Ruthenians still identify themselves as Russian.

The tragedy of Ukraine is that these have hijacked the country and have attemtped to erase the Russianness of the people, there's no Ukrainian nation, there never was one, their language is just a dialect of Russian, they have no history, no traditions, nothing of their own. It only can define itself as anti-Russian.

If it weren't for the breakup of the Soviet Union, if it weren't for all the fake nationalism and indoctrination, the people of Ukraine would realize they are Russians. They would read history, ask about their origins, and their identity, and realize they are just a brand of Russians, with their own regional characteristics, but essentially the same people with the same culture, religion and shared history. Indeed, that was the case in Tsarist times. The emperor was Tsar of all the Russias, the Greater, the Little (Ukraine), White (Bielorussia), The Red (Ruthenia).. and that's the ones know about.

Sure there are differences as there are in Germany between Bavaria and Prussia, but they are all the same people and same nation, and it stands to reason that united they would be more prosperous and happier.

Why would anyone want to oppose that? Go figure.
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