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Old 01 Sep 11, 18:08
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Bay of Pigs Study Released - Miami Herald Article

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So like how come Kennedy gets a free pass for stuff like this yet Bush 1 takes the heat for Iran-Contra? It's just more duplicity from the Leftist media and their paparazzi.
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Since the article names Kennedy, I don't see how he is getting a 'free pass'. Yes the left like to trash the Bushes and the right likes to trash jimmy Carter, John Kerry, Obama, etc. How is one any different than the other when it comes to past misdeeds of their opponents?
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So like how come Kennedy gets a free pass for stuff like this yet Bush 1 takes the heat for Iran-Contra? It's just more duplicity from the Leftist media and their paparazzi.

Actually, leftists spent decades banging on about this sort of stuff but were fobbed off by the right as 'bleeding hearts' or accused of being 'fellow travellers'. Still, that doesn't fit your' the left is to blame for everything' worldview, so I doubt it computes.
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Given the context of this thread, The way Kennedy left the Cubans hanging might be subject to scrutiny.
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It wasn't really Kennedys plan at all. It was under Eisenhowers watch. Nixon was desperate for the operation to go ahead before the 1960 election so as vice president he could gain from the consequences of its presumed success. The fact is and as Eisenhower had come to understand the CIA under Helms and Bissel had pretty much made the "WASPish CIA an organisation that working under its own cognisance, that did what it wanted with a sense of its own purpose. This was to the extent that the US government now was wondering how much control it had over its spies. The Nicaragua coup for example was a particulalry unpleasant episode controlled by the CIA. One can see this to a point with Eisenhowers farewell speech with some of its cryptic warnings.
This is what landed in Kennedys lap who had of course run an astute campaign that was very much aware of the anti communism/ fears within the American electorate. It was a stance that the CIA and joint chiefs believed delivered them a president that was right up their street.
Kennedy believed what he was told by his Joint Chief and CIA advisors and with hindsight maybe it could be said to be naive but it is I suppose understandable. This plan would work. The fact was that this was a lie. The CIA did not believe this would work with out US military help. They believed it would fail and when it did the president would be forced into sending in the Marines. In their wildest dreams, they never believed that Kennedy would actually stick to his non interventionist stance. Apparently the hysteria when he did just that was off the scale. The relationship between Kennedy and his military/intelligence advisors would never recover. Harry Truman said the buck stops but most of us have presumed that our political leaders are actually in control when in fact they have been far from that. I doubt this ended with Kennedy and the bay of pigs either. A scary thought that I feel possibly challenges a great deal of what we have believed.

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So like how come Kennedy gets a free pass for stuff like this yet Bush 1 takes the heat for Iran-Contra? It's just more duplicity from the Leftist media and their paparazzi.
You may be interested to read about Zapata Corporation and its alleged links to Bay of Pigs. Note one of its founders, later held the post of CIA director, and several other high offices.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapata_Corporation
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You may be interested to read about Zapata Corporation and its alleged links to Bay of Pigs. Note one of its founders, later held the post of CIA director, and several other high offices.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapata_Corporation
Try "United Fruit" aswell
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Only Kennedy gets elevated to sainthood.
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I suggest reading Haynes Johnson's book published in 1964, "The Bay of Pigs".
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Only Kennedy gets elevated to sainthood.
As the official martyr of the Democratic Party, Kennedy has gotten a "free pass" for decades.

One has to wonder though, if not for the embarrassment and the political lessons Kennedy took from the Bay of Pigs fiasco, would the subsequent Cuban Missile Crisis have turned out as well as it did?
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Why do these losers not say, specifically, what the name of the quoted study is and where to find it?

Credibility == near zero.

All pdfs linked from here:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB353/index.htm

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Why do these losers not say, specifically, what the name of the quoted study is and where to find it?

Credibility == near zero.

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Because they want you to buy the book? Good link by the way.
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