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Questions for our Canadian board members.

Was hide hunting as big a business for Anglo frontiersmen in Canada in the 1870s and 1880s as it was in the United States?

When did the Canadian buffalo herds become depleted enough that the Canadian plains tribes and the Metis had to give up their traditional way of life?
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Wasn't the Northern Herd the one that migrated through Canada and the Northern Plains of the US? There were also some Woods Buffalo in Canada as well.

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Wasn't the Northern Herd the one that migrated through Canada and the Northern Plains of the US? There were also some Woods Buffalo in Canada as well.

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I don't believe there was a specifically Canadian commercial hunting in the 1860s-70s. While I'm sure Canadians were involved, the plains herds were hunted primarily in the US because the plains bison did not range far into Canada*. Plus the US government actively encouraged the decimation of the bison, going so far as to provide free ammunition to buffalo hunters.

The Wood bison, which are larger beasts, and unique to Canada, managed to subsist on the thin Canadian culture a bit longer than their more dynamic southern cousins, but they were hunted out by the 1890s. Odds are they were the target of Canadian hunters.





* = Even plains bison couldn't take the boredom.
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Questions for our Canadian board members.

Was hide hunting as big a business for Anglo frontiersmen in Canada in the 1870s and 1880s as it was in the United States?

When did the Canadian buffalo herds become depleted enough that the Canadian plains tribes and the Metis had to give up their traditional way of life?
A quick search turned this up on an early jump/pound site.
http://history.alberta.ca/headsmashe...alo_tracks.pdf

An interesting read about a metis buffalo hunt 1858.
http://books.google.com/books?id=s73...unters&source=

A tribe by tribe discussion of the First Nation/European hide trade. Good read.
http://www.ucalgary.ca/applied_histo.../prairies.html

It appears that the Canadian process was similar to the American history.
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Wasn't the Northern Herd the one that migrated through Canada and the Northern Plains of the US?
I'm not sure. But the last reference to a hide shipment in the I've found in the US was out of North Dakota in 1884 with the last big shipment being in 1883 also out of North Dakota. So that was the end of the northern herd in the US as far as commercial hunting went.

But I read where the Hudson Bay Company shipped hides in 1887. So that got me to wondering if the hide hunting era went on longer in Canada.

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There were also some Woods Buffalo in Canada as well.
This could be what the Hudson Bay Company was dealing in.
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I don't believe there was a specifically Canadian commercial hunting in the 1860s-70s. While I'm sure Canadians were involved, the plains herds were hunted primarily in the US because the plains bison did not range far into Canada*. Plus the US government actively encouraged the decimation of the bison, going so far as to provide free ammunition to buffalo hunters.

The Wood bison, which are larger beasts, and unique to Canada, managed to subsist on the thin Canadian culture a bit longer than their more dynamic southern cousins, but they were hunted out by the 1890s. Odds are they were the target of Canadian hunters.





* = Even plains bison couldn't take the boredom.
Currently there are approximately 7,000 wood bison in the wild, located in the Northwest Territories, Yukon, British Columbia, Alberta, and Manitoba
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I don't believe there was a specifically Canadian commercial hunting in the 1860s-70s. While I'm sure Canadians were involved, the plains herds were hunted primarily in the US because the plains bison did not range far into Canada*. Plus the US government actively encouraged the decimation of the bison, going so far as to provide free ammunition to buffalo hunters.

The Wood bison, which are larger beasts, and unique to Canada, managed to subsist on the thin Canadian culture a bit longer than their more dynamic southern cousins, but they were hunted out by the 1890s. Odds are they were the target of Canadian hunters.



* = Even plains bison couldn't take the boredom.
Or the Manitoba winters.

There was- sort of. The Metis in 1849 overthrew the old Hudson's Bay trade Monopoly, and started shipping buffalo hides by cart train to St Paul, Minnesota.

Hides were a glut in Canada, as buffalo were hunted to make pemmican. Lack of transportation was a concern- buffalo hides are heavy compared to furs.

the Bay tried steam boating on the Saskatchewan in 1874 - some hides were steam boated out.
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Or the Manitoba winters.

There was- sort of. The Metis in 1849 overthrew the old Hudson's Bay trade Monopoly, and started shipping buffalo hides by cart train to St Paul, Minnesota.

Hides were a glut in Canada, as buffalo were hunted to make pemmican. Lack of transportation was a concern- buffalo hides are heavy compared to furs.

the Bay tried steam boating on the Saskatchewan in 1874 - some hides were steam boated out.
Yeah, the US hunters had the railroads to work with. In the end, even the bones were gathered up for fertilizer.
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[QUOTE=KRJ;2711538]I'm not sure. But the last reference to a hide shipment in the I've found in the US was out of North Dakota in 1884 with the last big shipment being in 1883 also out of North Dakota. So that was the end of the northern herd in the US as far as commercial hunting went.

But I read where the Hudson Bay Company shipped hides in 1887. So that got me to wondering if the hide hunting era went on longer in Canada.



This could be what the Hudson Bay Company was dealing in.[/
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....‘Or perhaps the Americans simply will arm the Atsina to the teeth, and the sixty year old revenge for South Branch House is then carried out against my little trading posts.’ Simpson shuddered; in his mind’s eye he saw his prairie oasis, his model village around Qu’Appelle House. His pride, the little jewel of his posts, managed by his youngest country born son. He remembered the staked fences, the fields of wheat, and the potatoes, so delicious after the long pemmican voyages. The docile highland cattle he had brought overland from York Factory. The sheep fenced away from the buffalo, the neat fieldstone houses, and his little grist mill. The river watered fields, flat between the lakes, protected from the hard Assiniboia winds. He recalled the lakeside feasts on his arrival; the dark eyed woman, waiting for his bed after the vicar’s family had diplomatically retired early. And painfully, memories of the long, sunny, laughing days, fishing the Katepwa with his estranged son; while his voyageurs recuperated for the winding river dash to Fort Garry. George Simpson’s vision grew bleaker; now he saw mounted war parties fording the Qu’Appelle at Marievale crossing, then descending on his sleeping people at dawn....
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