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Old 07 Dec 17, 17:02
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Jewish Americans voted Democrat the moment they arrived in the USA (1890-1910) ,because when they arrived, they were helped by the DEmocrat city administrations.

They did not wait to vote Democrat till FDR became president : FDR was a well-known anti-semite and racist .
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My point was that it was not viewed as a terribly admirable policy in 1st century AD and it is less likely to find any favour - or lasting solution - now.

Trumpity's move suggest to me someone who does not have a very deep grasp of what he is doing but loves making dramatic statements. Removing a goal that has played a part in keeping some Palestinians negotiating suggests either a lack of appreciation of what it might do or simply not caring; a lamentable position for the leader of such a powerful country.

Also very odd, given the courting of KSA in the last few months.

The Romans were arguably more subtle in their diplomatic chess games; solitudinem faciunt was in reality a last resort (it generated less tax revenue, for a start).
Not sure about that. He has largely kept US troops out of recent conflicts and handled the attack on the Syrian airfield with restraint. He is likely well briefed and advised.

I recall the Jerusalem move may have been a campaign promise and so has some democratic legitamicy. The strategic rationale is not obvious if one looks through the Obama lens but perhaps Trump is simply backing a US ally over 'friends' that would stab the US in the back given half a chance. Saudis were lead figures in 9/11, after all.

EDIT: it was a campaign promise to US citizens and so is backed by a democratic mandate - http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a8096216.html
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Isnt it dried in the wool (whatever that means) census data actually confirms that...??
Dyed in the wool. As in color.
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Opponents of Don's 'US Embassy-to-Jerusalem' move are saying it'll make muslims hate America and the West.
Haha, as if they don't already hate our guts..

[Quran 5.51]- "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends, they are friends of each other"
[Quran 9.123]- "O you who believe! fight those of the infidels who are near to you and let them find in you hardness"


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Opponents of Don's 'US Embassy-to-Jerusalem' move are saying it'll make muslims hate America and the West.
Haha, as if they don't already hate our guts..
Yeah, that ship has set sail a long time ago. Let's not pander to our enemies anymore.

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[Quran 9.123]- "O you who believe! fight those of the infidels who are near to you and let them find in you hardness"
And when they do fight us "infidels", they end up losing and losing big each and every time. You'd think they'd learn their lessons by now.



One can just see the hatred, ignorance and intolerance on their faces. Definitely not the kind of people any of us need to make friends with.
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They're just angry restaurants customers protesting cause the menu of the day had free coffee and they were cheated.
Now Mr Spike , could you change your " hateful muslims " pic ?
It's the 5 or 6th times now you copy it.
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Opponents of Don's 'US Embassy-to-Jerusalem' move are saying it'll make muslims hate America and the West.
Haha, as if they don't already hate our guts..

[Quran 5.51]- "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends, they are friends of each other"
[Quran 9.123]- "O you who believe! fight those of the infidels who are near to you and let them find in you hardness"
THey can't hate us any more than they did a week ago.

They've hated Israel since it was created, and look at the result: their nations in the ME are still mired in backwards traditions, and most are declining in social and economic cohesion.

The time to worry is when they stop hating us.
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Yeah, that ship has set sail a long time ago. Let's not pander to our enemies anymore.



And when they do fight us "infidels", they end up losing and losing big each and every time. You'd think they'd learn their lessons by now.



One can just see the hatred, ignorance and intolerance on their faces. Definitely not the kind of people any of us need to make friends with.
but here is the sad truth that they are

unfortunately our "swamp" will gladly ally with turks arabs and persians to attack Russia if given a chance

now I agree russia needs to curb its fascist tendencies too but I would rather work with them and have some hope of a entente than try to reason with such fanatics
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They're just angry restaurants customers protesting cause the menu of the day had free coffee and they were cheated.
That did give me a good laugh, thank you Seb.
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I agree with you IF our goal is middle east peace

but why should it be ?

Our goal should be to keep our influence intact , prevent anyone from getting nukes, sell them weapons and let these guys fight each other

we should be better relations with Russia and peace in EUrope
This isn't improving the US standing there.

War in the Mid East is going to effectively involve both the EU and Russia on some level for reasons of proximity alone.

This isn't improving US standing with those two either.

It's more avoidable self-harm, own-goaling by the US.

For starters the US won't be able to play the role of honest broker in any kind of negotiated settlement.

But if you're saying it is a US gear-up for going to war alongside Israel in the Mid-East there might be something to it. Has Israel been told btw?
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That did give me a good laugh, thank you Seb.
Worked a lot on it , due to my bad English..
Glad you laughed.
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This isn't improving the US standing there.

War in the Mid East is going to effectively involve both the EU and Russia on some level for reasons of proximity alone.

This isn't improving US standing with those two either.

It's more avoidable self-harm, own-goaling by the US.

For starters the US won't be able to play the role of honest broker in any kind of negotiated settlement.

But if you're saying it is a US gear-up for going to war alongside Israel in the Mid-East there might be something to it. Has Israel been told btw?
I think you're looking for reasons that simply aren't there.

Obviously - this pleases Trump supporters and will deliver votes.

It will cause some protests and probably a few dead Jews and Palestinians in the Middle East, but once again this will please Trump voters.

Other the that it's non-issue, Belgium has had a consulate in Jerusalem since as long as I can remember and so have many other nations.

A political farce - in good English

https://diplomatie.belgium.be/en/jerusalem
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They're just angry restaurants customers protesting cause the menu of the day had free coffee and they were cheated.
Now Mr Spike , could you change your " hateful muslims " pic ?
It's the 5 or 6th times now you copy it.
Mais oui mon ami, here's a different pic..-
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Jewish Americans voted Democrat the moment they arrived in the USA (1890-1910) ,because when they arrived, they were helped by the DEmocrat city administrations.

They did not wait to vote Democrat till FDR became president : FDR was a well-known anti-semite and racist .
Roosevelt scored 90% of Jewish voters in two of his elections. The Jewish GOP politician Barry Goldwater received only 10 % of Jewish votes in 1964, LBJ got 90%. Goes to show Jewish folks will elect a Christian over one of their own when they see fit, good for them.

Saying FDR is a known Antisemite is like saying Hitler is very pro Jewish or that Osama Bin Laden is very pro Shia Muslim, idk why your engaging in the type of language you do engage in.



http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...tial-elections

Jews have historically voted for Democrats. Trump got only 24 % of the Jewish vote in 2016.

At this point, your saying FDR a man whom won 90 % of the Jewish vote twice, is a well known antisemitic.. This type of viewpoint of yours above is inline with the sarcastic type posting that our friend Poor Old spike engages in, it gets away from a productive conversation and there is no need to say the kinds of things you say above.
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