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... the earth is still warming...
As it has done for 15,000 years...




The model can't explain where all that ice went. Ice sheets are highly reflective, so how did the warming trend begin? The pre-industrial trend continues...
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As it has done for 15,000 years...
Have you read the actual science? Given that the paper is available under the fossil fuel lobby funded https://wattsupwiththat.com/ site, we can be sure that the climate skeptics approve of this science.

Original paper under discussion here: https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpr..._mcnider-1.pdf

The paper states that once you have removed the natural elements that cause climate change, the planet is still warming. If natural effects are not warming the planet, then it must be unnatural effects, ie manmade causes.

Any intelligent scientist would realise this.
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Here's 20,000 years of sea level rise:
https://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/gornitz_09/

Amazing to see how little humans had to do with that trend that still persists...
A key part from your link;
" By the mid-Holocene period, 6000-5000 years ago, glacial melting had essentially ceased, while ongoing adjustments of Earth's lithosphere due to removal of the ice sheets gradually decreased over time. Thus, sea level continued to drop in formerly glaciated regions and rise in areas peripheral to the former ice sheets. At many low-latitude ocean islands and coastal sites distant from the effects of glaciation, sea level stood several meters higher than present during the mid-Holocene and has been falling ever since. This phenomenon is due to lithospheric responses to changes in ice and water loading. Water is "siphoned" away from the central equatorial ocean basins into depressed areas peripheral to long-gone ice sheets. Loading by meltwater that has been added to the oceans also depresses far-field continental shelves, tilting the shoreline upward and thus lowering local sea level. Over the past few thousand years, the rate of sea level rise remained fairly low, probably not exceeding a few tenths of a millimeter per year. "
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Basically, once the weight of glaciers was removed, the land (crust) underneath rose showing the effect of lowered sealevels in those prior glacial parts of the Earth's land. Other parts of the crush would lower due to the increase in seawater in their locations. These are varied impacts of a warming hydrosphere over the span of the past 12-15,000 years which we are still trying to know and understand.

This part of "science" is far from "settled", is still on a learning curve as far as we humans are concerned. Basically our planet is still "settling" it's surface. lithosphere, due to shifts of water(/ice) weight upon it.

One "recent" result of that "settling" is this;
Ancient Roman city lost for centuries below the sea FOUND perfectly intact

THESE incredible images show an ancient Roman town sunken below the surface of the sea.
[url]https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/664585/underwater-city-Roman-Baiae-Naples-Italy-diving-pictures-discovery-Julius-Caesar-Pomey[url]


This happened about 1,700 years ago and long before any impact/effect of the "Industrial Age" could be blamed by the psuedoscience of ACC/AGW.
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Why has the media pulled back from Global Warming. There was a time not long ago when it was front page news every day?
It's Winter in the Northern hemisphere. The psuedoscience of ACC/AGW doesn't get such good traction when people are cold, wet, and dealing with snow and ice. Why you mostly see this political drum beat in the Summer time when we are all much warmer.
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Bold is mine and speaks for itself.

Worth expanding on the above comment.
Actual paper here: https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpr..._mcnider-1.pdf



One might want to consider to actually read the report, rather than reading a biaised and disingenuous political opinion of it. If you do so, one can clearly understand that the Earth is still getting warmer when you remove the impact of natural forces effecting climate change. The Earth is still getting warmer, regardless of nature, thus unnatural forces, ie manmade, forces are adversely effecting the climate.

People need to stop listening to political sound bites less, and read more science instead.
I did read the paper and they admit to removing the MAIN natural factors related to volcanoes, but did not remove all KNOWN natural factors, AND acknowledge that all natural factors are NOT known, or understood. Part of the purpose of the paper is to illustrate those areas in need of more study and research.

Also, the main point of the paper is that the "models" used by most of the ACC/AGW "advocates" are mathmatically incorrect and grossly over state the accerleration of warming rates, in plain "English" the warming rate is fairly stagnant (stable) and the anthropogenic factor (if any) is grossly exaggerated.

You might try learning how to read science papers better, and upgrade your math and science skill set.
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Here is an actual study of climate models vs. reality.

This paper is pretty "thick", but that's what real science is all about.

The models can't even predict the past, let alone the future.
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/1...eedAccess=true
Thanks.

Unfortunately we have some "psuedo-scientists" posting here engaging in psuedoscience of ACC/AGW whom haven't a clue what they are talking about. Injury to insult they continue to live the lifestyles they claim are doing the damage.
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I have noticed the real disconnect between lifestyle and the position people hold on global warming.

The most striking hypocrisy is how many people tell me that global warming is destroying the planet and then fly to some vacation halfway around the world. 2 such trips generate about as much possible warming effect as all the co2 they generate in other activities throughout a year.

I used vacations as an example because almost all business trips are unnecessary in the age of video conferences.

There is a lot of evidence that the left doesn't care as much about the environment as they hate Corporations. Unless of course it's a corporation like Facebook that seems to be on their side. Whatever on their side means.
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Thanks.

Unfortunately we have some "psuedo-scientists" posting here engaging in psuedoscience of ACC/AGW whom haven't a clue what they are talking about. Injury to insult they continue to live the lifestyles they claim are doing the damage.
So you agree that https://wattsupwiththat.com/ posting of a certain paper was in error .

The paper here: https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpr..._mcnider-1.pdf has been removed from the site . Nice to know I might of made a difference, but I suspect several million other people also saw the item, and understood the reality of anthropological global warming.

It must be embarrassing that your political stance has been denounced by a website you hold sacrosanct. The fact that the link has been removed proves Wattsupwiththat is political, not science. When science is 'deleted' we are left with a religeon without God.
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So you agree that https://wattsupwiththat.com/ posting of a certain paper was in error .

The paper here: https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpr..._mcnider-1.pdf has been removed from the site . Nice to know I might of made a difference, but I suspect several million other people also saw the item, and understood the reality of anthropological global warming.

It must be embarrassing that your political stance has been denounced by a website you hold sacrosanct. The fact that the link has been removed proves Wattsupwiththat is political, not science. When science is 'deleted' we are left with a religeon without God.
https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpr..._mcnider-1.pdf

Worth keeping the link to prove that a fossil fuel funded website can completely and totally fail to understand the actual science .

If the fossil fuel industry is anything like the cigarette industry, and both use the same spokes people, then we can safely assume that the conclusion of the paper was unacceptable to the skeptics POV. Rather than dismiss it, they have tried to subvert its message, ie once nature is removed from the equation, man is actually warming the planet.
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I have noticed the real disconnect between lifestyle and the position people hold on global warming.
Want to save the world from AGW? Stop breathing...

I don't see a lot of that happening.
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STUDY: Satellites Show No Acceleration In Global Warming For 23 Years

Global warming has not accelerated temperature rise in the bulk atmosphere in more than two decades, according to a new study funded by the Department of Energy.
University of Alabama-Huntsville climate scientists John Christy and Richard McNider found that by removing the climate effects of volcanic eruptions early on in the satellite temperature record it showed virtually no change in the rate of warming since the early 1990s.
“We indicated 23 years ago — in our 1994 Nature article — that climate models had the atmosphere’s sensitivity to CO2 much too high,” Christy said in a statement. “This recent paper bolsters that conclusion.”
Christy and McNider found the rate of warming has been 0.096 degrees Celsius per decade after “the removal of volcanic cooling in the early part of the record,” which “is essentially the same value we determined in 1994 … using only 15 years of data.”
...
http://dailycaller.com/2017/11/29/st...-for-23-years/
I notice every skeptic is now ignoring this item, now that has been proven to be Fake News.

The study states that mankind is warming the climate, ie ACG is true, just not at the rate predicted by the IPCC.
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I notice every skeptic is now ignoring this item, now that has been proven to be Fake News.

The study states that mankind is warming the climate, ie ACG is true, just not at the rate predicted by the IPCC.
If you hired geologists to determine what the production rate of an oil well would be and after and drilling you got 1/5 the rate they promised would you call them scientist? People produce all sorts of models for many purposes but they are only as useful as they are accurate.
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If you hired geologists to determine what the production rate of an oil well would be and after and drilling you got 1/5 the rate they promised would you call them scientist? People produce all sorts of models for many purposes but they are only as useful as they are accurate.
The fact remains that a skeptic website tried to use a scientific paper that actually proved ACG, then tried to deny it's not man made global warming opinion?

Why is that?
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