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Why don't YOU guys take the lead in this sort of thing?
I know you don't have the punch that France has, but all the indications are that you folks are the first ones aware of what the problems are, and your Battalions are pretty light on their feet.

An ounce of prevention beats a pound of intervention, after all, and S.A. is far from being a 3rd-World nation.
We did. We lost 15 good men dieing to try and stop seleka. Problem was outdated intlel, we assumed they had only 1500 poorly armened solders. Not a 8000 harned rebels from sudan to chad.

We all so prety limted in our abliet to project force that far from SA. We can only support 3 reinforcet battlions(3000 men) for extened period(by extened I mean indvently). We all ready have 2000 men deployed. So if we do deploy it will only be about 1000 men. So we need support. We all so not has light has many think. A mamba APC weighys over 10 tonnes and a battlion has 90 to 110 of them with the same number of support vechiles and 850 to 950 men. We only light when put along side western battlions. Our light weight battlion are no lighter than western light weight battlion like rangers, airborn, marin recon, royal marines, and a bunch of frenchies.

And any advantege we gain from being lighter on logistics is out weighed by our poor means to support troops that far from SA. C130s can not carry enough and charted flights cost a lot.
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Why don't YOU guys take the lead in this sort of thing?
I know you don't have the punch that France has, but all the indications are that you folks are the first ones aware of what the problems are, and your Battalions are pretty light on their feet.

An ounce of prevention beats a pound of intervention, after all, and S.A. is far from being a 3rd-World nation.
Hardly the case. It's far from being first world and it isn't 2nd world so what is left?

The listing of 1st, 2nd and 3rd is some what out of favor since the fall of the USSR.
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Hardly the case. It's far from being first world and it isn't 2nd world so what is left?

The listing of 1st, 2nd and 3rd is some what out of favor since the fall of the USSR.
That if you use the poltical bases of the coldwar.

During the cold war we where a 1st world country.
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I'm actually quite taken in with French president Hollande's actions in Africa,
initiating military interventions in Mali and CAR plus diplomatic initiatives for this continent.

I'd prefer him as Time magazine's 'Man of the Year' over president Putin of Russia.
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That if you use the poltical bases of the coldwar.

During the cold war we where a 1st world country.
Where does your GDP rank compared to other country's?

How many SA live below the poverty level?

Until the END of the Cold War SA still had apartheid. Twist and turn as you can that isn't a 1st World Country.

Advanced 3rd world is the most that you can rightfully claim.
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The time magzin much like the nobel peace price is not the same any more.
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Hardly the case. It's far from being first world and it isn't 2nd world so what is left?

The listing of 1st, 2nd and 3rd is some what out of favor since the fall of the USSR.
The current listing is more like:

Developed-developing-underdeveloped-least developed.
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Where does your GDP rank compared to other country's?

How many SA live below the poverty level?

Until the END of the Cold War SA still had apartheid. Twist and turn as you can that isn't a 1st World Country.

Advanced 3rd world is the most that you can rightfully claim.
During aparteid 1st world countries where countries that suppport the west(aka us sphere of influnce) 2nd world was any that suported the USSR 3rd world was unlighened.

GDP
384,300 nomnial 2012 29th on the list
592 PPP 2012 25 on the list.

Poverty is close to brazil and better than indai.




We all so have very good infustructers.



So advance 3rd world? What does that make india or china.
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France LIKES intervening in Africa - makes it feel like an actual world power. Look at the post-colonial period & see just how often French troops arrive to remove/support a government, save Europeans or somesuch. In the case of CAR this is a pretty regular deal. On the upside, at least the guy they are backing at the moment isn't a cannibalistic self-declared Emperor (as far as I know).
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During aparteid 1st world countries where countries that suppport the west(aka us sphere of influnce) 2nd world was any that suported the USSR 3rd world was unlighened.

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384,300 nomnial 2012 29th on the list
592 PPP 2012 25 on the list.

Poverty is close to brazil and better than indai.




We all so have very good infustructers.



So advance 3rd world? What does that make india or china.
Nuclear powers with space programs. An the SA is what?

total: 364,131 km
paved: 62,995 km (includes 254 km of expressways)
unpaved: 301,136 km (2002)

For SA, do you call that good? Very good shouldn't even be mentioned.

SA has also the highest rate of AIDs and the highest death rate from the same. Life expectancy is less the 50 years.

Be proud of your country if you wish. Just don't try to dress it up into something it is not.
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total: 364,131 km
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unpaved: 301,136 km (2002)

For SA, do you call that good? Very good shouldn't even be mentioned.

SA has also the highest rate of AIDs and the highest death rate from the same. Life expectancy is less the 50 years.

Be proud of your country if you wish. Just don't try to dress it up into something it is not.
What do you mean SA has nuclaer power and a space program.

Yes, alot of SA is farm land or open land, there are ares with zero road cover at all, same has say the asuiess. so showing the amount of road coverge is meaningless.


I am not dressing it uo at all. But calling it 3rd world is stupid, since we clasfied has a devloping nastion, AKA seconded world, we all so a middile income econmy.
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The UN groups countries into 4 groups based on Human Development Index:

http://hdr.undp.org/en/data/map/

South Africa is apparently in the 3rd group, alongside India and China.
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What do you mean SA has nuclaer power and a space program.

Yes, alot of SA is farm land or open land, there are ares with zero road cover at all, same has say the asuiess. so showing the amount of road coverge is meaningless.


I am not dressing it uo at all. But calling it 3rd world is stupid, since we clasfied has a devloping nastion, AKA seconded world, we all so a middile income econmy.
You have a space program? Going to the Moon soon or launching your own people into space?

Having nuclear power is not the same as being a Nuclear Power.

SA is one of the, if not the most advanced country's in Africa but considering who you are competing against doesn't make you more than a developing country. Not 1st World as you claimed.

As far as Middle Class income... between 7 and 8,000 dollars per person a year does not get you a place among the G7.
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You have a space program? Going to the Moon soon or launching your own people into space?

Having nuclear power is not the same as being a Nuclear Power.

SA is one of the, if not the most advanced country's in Africa but considering who you are competing against doesn't make you more than a developing country. Not 1st World as you claimed.

As far as Middle Class income... between 7 and 8,000 dollars per person a year does not get you a place among the G7.
Does amerca launch people in to space still? And yes both south africa and nigeria have prety active space programs, niether is big but both launch satlites in in to orbit every now and then.

http://www.sansa.org.za/
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.ph...e-a-technology
http://www.asianage.com/india/orbite...rts-sunday-436

You do know SA built and then dismanteled nuclear bombs

I never siade we where first world under the current econmic term, but during the cold war it was not based on econmy but ideolge.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_World
has a Strong oponet to the spread of the commies we where classed first world.

G7 is not middel income now is it. Middle is just that, not poor not rich. I never saide we where G7 or G8, We are only in the G20 because they need some one from africa and SA is the best opstion.
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