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Old 06 Dec 13, 20:22
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Mandela was a man a humbel man with a desire for Peace. But he did not fear conflict and armed struggel. He greatest attrubuit was his abliety to forgive.
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South Africa could have ended up like Rhodesia, embroiled in its own civil war and Mandela becoming another Mugabe, but none of that occurred. However that is not to say Mandela was by any means a perfect man, almost Christ-like, as his greatness will never surpass that of Jesus Christ.
Mandala wasn't a saint, and he said as much on occasion. He fought dirty when the situation demanded it, and if he hadn't have been arrested when he was then he would have had the blood of many innocent people on his hands as the ANC were about to switch from military / infrastructure attacks to things like schools and hospitals. But fate played a joker, and South Africa was given a different man many years later. A man that wanted to heal the country rather than harm it.

And I really fail to see how 2000 year old semi-mythical zombies have anything to do with this thread, from either you or MM.
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RIP.

As expected, the death of Mandela has sparked a wave of hagiography painting him as some sort of god on earth and an undercurrent of nastiness from those keen to remind us of ever failing, real or imagined. Mandela was not perfect. He did questionable things. He didn't achieve everything it was hoped he might as President. His nation has not prospered as it was hoped it would.

While all of this detail is important in assessing the man in total, one towering achievement alone (and there were others) puts it all in the shade.

People who manage to attain power after a long fight (especially against a ruthless enemy) have two paths they can take. They can indulge their vengeance and simply replace one oppression with another. The other path, perhaps the harder path & the one less taken, is to forgive your enemies & try to build a new, better, freer society. Mandela walked the harder path. He took a nation that had been plunged into bloody chaos by a dying regime and he healed it. In a situation where the nation might so easily have tipped into even worse communal violence or even civil war he forged some sense of a nation. Nobody should ever underestimate the herculean nature of that achievement.

He showed himself to be a better man than his enemies in every respect. A truly great man.
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All this talk of Mandela not being "perfect" misses the point: he did the right thing when it mattered, which reflected on his qualities as a man.

For that he is rightly seen, and will be remembered, as an impressive figure.

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I'll remember exactly where I was when I heard this sad news.

A role model when it comes to tolerance & modesty
but also to strength of character.

Being tolerant and modest is not the realm of the effeminated weak spines
but is also about keeping one's back straight and looking your opponent in the eye.
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