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I've noticed that Outback Ammunition (commercial arm of ADF supplier, Thales) has started selling .300 Blackout (equivalent to an AK47 round but works best suppressed).

That's interesting. It's an uncommon cartridge so it make you wonder why they started production.
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The Federal Government is preparing to announce the successful bidder for Australia's new fleet of submarines next week.

The ABC understands Cabinet's National Security Committee discussed the three international bids for the $50 billion contract last night.

While it is not clear if the committee has made a final decision, it has all but eliminated the Japanese bid to build a fleet of 12 submarines to replace the Royal Australian Navy's ageing Collins Class subs.

That leaves France and Germany still in the race.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-2...t-week/7340996
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And Japan isn't happy.

Japan is intervening to try and get back into the tender process, even their Prime Minister is possibly getting involved.

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The Japanese Government is weighing options for a top-level intervention to promote its flagging bid to build Australia's $50bn future fleet of submarines.

The ABC has been told a direct call by Prime Minister Shinzo Abe to Malcolm Turnbull to plead Japan's case is among the options being considered.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-2...roject/7347926
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RAN thinking that the Soryus are inferior to the Collins is a big hurdle.

Now the AFP has been called in to look into Soryu leaks.
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Not a bad idea mate, although I did a thread What should be Australia's next fighter last year, and that got over 200 posts... half were probably my rants! But, we never tire in dishing out a worthy airframe for our shores, the debate shall continue.

Anyway, there are plenty of other areas to discuss, M1 Abrams, next howitzer, and what will probably be the mother of all big spending projects so far... our next sub! The Navy has been given a nice chunk of the defence pie so that is worth some analysis, some interesting ships are on the horizon and certainly worth discussing here.
I'm not too familiar with the Army's future assault rifle so more research to come.

Let the debate begin!

...hee hee, i think the other 200 posts was me ranting along with you....
yep, it is going to be a interesting debate, however, let us remember that the new defence white paper is out at the end of the year, i think this thread could provide a good starting pooint once we have all had a chance to assimilate its findings...
Your ASLAVs idea is good. lcm1
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The winning bidder for our next subs is France. Will post more details later.
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WOW, you could have knocked me down with a feather when I saw it on the news....

http://www.theguardian.com/australia...ntract-awarded

The award of the $50bn contract to French shipbuilder DCNS means the fleet will be new Barracuda-class submarines which will be built to Australian specifications for a conventional, non-nuclear powered submarine.
Turnbull said the submarines “will be built here in Australia ... with Australian jobs, Australian steel, and Australian expertise”. However, some components may come from other states of Australia or other countries including the combat system, which will be sourced from the US.

He said the cost implications of building some of the vessels overseas relative to the completely local build were “comprehensively examined”. Nevertheless, he said the government was committed to the principle that “every dollar we spend on defence procurement as far as possible should be spent in Australia”.
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Yeah I wasn't expecting it, makes perfect sense on paper when you weigh up the pros and cons... different story when we have to actually start making them. But we're in a better position than when we were before making the Collins class, I think.
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Yep, hope for something like the ANZAC'S, on time, on budget, not a repeat of the Collins saga.
On the other hand big Aussie defense contracts (for one reason or another) seem to blow out big time.
Fingers crossed.
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From what I understand, the French design is basically a Barracuda class with a conventional propulsion. Planning the layout of the batteries, diesels, fuel and electric motors will be a challenge... I did read somewhere the front half will remain unchanged, the back half will have the different engine unit, but I'm not so sure either way. Won't know much until the first sub is launched and tested. Not many subs have pump jet propulsion, the RAN will join that exclusive group.
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Long story short: Germans has never built a big sub before, Collins is better than Soryu (also first time exporters) - both a repeat of the Collins program.

At the very least the Barracuda Shortfin is not a multi-national consortium.

Who else needs big conventional subs?
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I am a bit unfamiliar with pump jet propulsion. It sounds noisy. Has anyone else used it on submarines before?

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