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Just curious, does the new AWD come with (RAST), Recovery Assist, Secure and Traverse system?

EDIT: Just found out the new AWD will use ASIST - Aircraft Ship Integrated Secure and Traverse system.

http://indaltech.cwfc.com/products/spokes/01b_ASIST.htm
LoL, I was just about to post about ASIST, & noticed your Edit in the preview window.

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CURTISS-WRIGHT AWARDED MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT FOR ASIST HELICOPTER HANDLING SYSTEMS

Award to Supply ASIST Systems and Modular Lightweight Track For New Australian Navy Destroyers

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PRNewswire-FirstCall via COMTEX News Network/ -- Curtiss-Wright Corporation (NYSE: CW) announced it has been awarded a multi-million dollar contract by ASC AWD Shipbuilder Pty. Ltd., on behalf of the Air Warfare Destroyer (AWD) Alliance, to supply Aircraft Ship Integrated Secure and Traverse (ASIST) helicopter handling systems and modular lightweight tracks for three Hobart Class ships for the Royal Australian Navy. Curtiss-Wright Flow Control will perform the work at its facility in Ontario, Canada with initial deliveries scheduled to begin in late 2009. The total contract value, including all follow-on options, is expected to be in excess of $15 million. The contract contains an option for a fourth shipset of equipment with a potential award in 2009.

"Curtiss-Wright is very pleased to continue its support of the Australian Navy's aviation operations and to work with ASC on this exciting new ship program," said Martin R. Benante, CEO and Chairman of Curtiss-Wright Corporation. "The supply of these helicopter handling systems demonstrates our continuing engineering expertise in providing improved capability through innovative equipment designs and overall value through operational efficiency."

The ASIST system is a state-of-the-art deck handling solution for shipboard helicopter operations. It integrates the functions required for landing and on-deck operations to stow large ship-borne helicopters. Using the ASIST system, all deck handling operations can be accomplished without the need for personnel on the flight deck. The ASIST system enables safe helicopter handling day or night, even in adverse weather and sea conditions. The system will initially operate with the Australian Navy legacy S-70B helicopters and will be compatible with future helicopter designs.

The AWD program will provide the Royal Australian Navy with one of the world's most capable all-purpose warships. The three AWD Hobart Class ships will provide an advanced air defense system capable of engaging enemy aircraft and missiles at ranges in excess of 150km. The AWD ships will include a helicopter for surveillance and response to support key warfare areas as a part of their core capabilities.

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No worries, thanks. I'm not in the loop much with the AWD so it was a bit tricky trying to find info.
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Just me thinking out loud here...

Here are a few ideas I'd thought could benefit the ADF. Starting with the RAAF.
  • Cut the order of JSFs to just three squadrons of F-35A.
  • Keep the current number of F/A -18Fs and Growlers
The Army.
  • Acquire the Skyshield with two surface-to-air missile 8-cell modules for an expanded air defense capability for mobile base protection.
  • Expand the role of the ASLAV, motar, anti tank/hardened target missile and MANPAD launcher(RBS-70?)
The Navy.
  • Order third Canberra class.
  • Order F-35Bs, allow air capability on all three LHD, no dedicated aircraft carrier.
  • Forth AWD.
  • Seek a Soryu-class submarine for future replacement of the Collins, with all of the subs ordered built in Japan, and keep our industry open for refits and repairs etc.

In the past I have been a staunch advocate of building subs locally, but upon reading new opinions I've reached the conclusion that it would be more productive to keep the Japanese domestic program going as it will possibly remain afloat in the long term. The mistakes will be ironed out much more efficiently.
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Here are a few ideas I'd thought could benefit the ADF. Starting with the RAAF.
  • Cut the order of JSFs to just three squadrons of F-35A.
  • Keep the current number of F/A -18Fs and Growlers
Iím still undecided on the F-35A versus F/A-18F/G argument.

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The Army.
  • Acquire the Skyshield with two surface-to-air missile 8-cell modules for an expanded air defense capability for mobile base protection.
  • Expand the role of the ASLAV, motar, anti tank/hardened target missile and MANPAD launcher(RBS-70?)
  • I agree with SkyShield, Iíve always thought it would be a good add-on to the MAN Truck mounted CRAM radar system we have.
  • No opinion on the AsLAVs & MANPADs though.

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  • Order third Canberra class.
  • Order F-35Bs, allow air capability on all three LHD, no dedicated aircraft carrier.
  • Forth AWD.
  • Seek a Soryu-class submarine for future replacement of the Collins, with all of the subs ordered built in Japan, and keep our industry open for refits and repairs etc.

In the past I have been a staunch advocate of building subs locally, but upon reading new opinions I've reached the conclusion that it would be more productive to keep the Japanese domestic program going as it will possibly remain afloat in the long term. The mistakes will be ironed out much more efficiently.
  • Yes.
  • Hell Yes! (Though I still want Carriers, I'll settle for 4/6 F-35B on an LHD, with the ability to use a single LHD as a carrier when necessary)
  • We started with 6 Adelaide class Frigates, we should end with 6 Hobart class Destroyers to replace them (especially since their crew complement is about the same).
  • Fantastic subs, BUT, Japan wonít sell them, the AIP system is a definite possibility, but not the whole sub, besides, the pollies would never buy foreign built, itíd cost to many jobs & thus votes down south.
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Iím still undecided on the F-35A versus F/A-18F/G argument.
To be honest, I was originally going to suggest ditching the F-35A altogether, but decided not to post that. But yeah, the Super Hornets are a keeper for now and for the medium term.
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  • No opinion on the AsLAVs & MANPADs though.
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  • Yes.
  • Hell Yes! (Though I still want Carriers, I'll settle for 4/6 F-35B on an LHD, with the ability to use a single LHD as a carrier when necessary)
  • We started with 6 Adelaide class Frigates, we should end with 6 Hobart class Destroyers to replace them (especially since their crew complement is about the same).
  • Fantastic subs, BUT, Japan wonít sell them, the AIP system is a definite possibility, but not the whole sub, besides, the pollies would never buy foreign built, itíd cost to many jobs & thus votes down south.
My theory about the LHDs is to allow them to use an F-35B without any refit, for me, a dedicated carrier becomes a bigger target... but if the RAN think it's the best option then I'd let them have it.
If that is true concerning the no export option for the Soryu class, then I simple can't find any other conventional sub we could buy. A Collins class mark 2 would have to suffice. Hopefully this time the admiralty will have a more detailed manifesto as to what they want from any new sub designed in Australia.
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Don't some NATO countries and Sweden build good diesel boats? It might be wise to buy say three and build three.

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Don't some NATO countries and Sweden build good diesel boats? It might be wise to buy say three and build three.

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The european subs just don't have the endurance for Australia's coastline, we built 6 from a Swedish design but extended the length of the boat by about 90 feet.
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Regarding Euro Subs & the lack of range: the only way Australia could realistically operate an off-the-shelf Euro design is by moving the subs north & building a major sub base in Darwin, that would put them much closer to the operational area for deployment, but also brings the problem of being closer to the ďenemyĒ, which makes it easier for them to retaliate in time of war. Catch 22.
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Regarding Euro Subs & the lack of range: the only way Australia could realistically operate an off-the-shelf Euro design is by moving the subs north & building a major sub base in Darwin, that would put them much closer to the operational area for deployment, but also brings the problem of being closer to the ďenemyĒ, which makes it easier for them to retaliate in time of war. Catch 22.

why can't you base the subs down south and just use a base (or ship) up north to refuel them
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Wouldn't refueling mean they have to buy such a ship?

Land bases are cheaper to run.

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Wouldn't refueling mean they have to buy such a ship?

Land bases are cheaper to run.

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has long has they carry the same fuel any warship can in theory RAS any warship. SAN has done a RAS with the type 209 from drakenberg only though so i don't know if subs are different. But we have RASed strike craft with each other, frigates, protea (helleca class survey ship) so i don't see how RAN could not RAS a Sub from one of there LHDs or frigates or anything really.

Land bases have limited role a combat support ship can do a number of other jobs such as humanitarian support,
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My thinking is they would need a sub tender that can refuel boats, replenish their food and carry out simple repairs. Frigates and small vessels often carry a certain amount of fuel onboard to prevent stability problems. Then you still need to 'top off' the vessel that distributed the fuel to the sub.

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My thinking is they would need a sub tender that can refuel boats, replenish their food and carry out simple repairs. Frigates and small vessels often carry a certain amount of fuel onboard to prevent stability problems. Then you still need to 'top off' the vessel that distributed the fuel to the sub.

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has i said SAS drakensberg has refueled a type 209sub at high sea and it is a regular combat support ship.

stability is only a problem if you dumb enough not to keep your tanks balanced.

A large warship can carry a lot of fuel, especially a LHD.
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Yes, but keep in mind the coast of Australia is huge compared to South Africa's coast. It would not be that hard for a smaller vessel to head back to port after re-fueling a SAN sub. The choices for the RAN are smaller and not always where you would want them. Also a factor could be fuel incompatibility. Not all Naval vessels use diesel and have cranes or helicopters to transfer cargo.

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Yes, but keep in mind the coast of Australia is huge compared to South Africa's coast. It would not be that hard for a smaller vessel to head back to port after re-fueling a SAN sub. The choices for the RAN are smaller and not always where you would want them. Also a factor could be fuel incompatibility. Not all Naval vessels use diesel and have cranes or helicopters to transfer cargo.

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The refueling took place in the middel of the eouth atlantic. Our Subs can reach any where along our coast. Though in truth our comand is expected to cover the entire SADC region and our 2 islands down south. In realty our entire west coast north of saladanha is ungaurded and we can't not patrol beyond mozibique along the east coast. Still when you take all of the water in our region it is I bielve larger than astriala. But we hope to get the other SADC navies up to a point where they can help in the effort.


True that is why I said the LHD or frigats. Not expecting a hamloton IPV to do it. Any case it is a good abielty to have and will allow you to delpoy your subs much farther away than you could other wise and for longer. A sub is most at risk along side in any case.


We where able to sail a type 209 to south america(it did the ras on the return trip for training not due to a need) so it is not like the euro subs have that short a range.
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