Women The Silent Vicitms: USSR use of rape, while we looked away

[Canuckster]

Originally Posted by Number 6

The Pope and the Vatican told us what was going on.


"On April 27, 1946 Vatican Radio charged that in the Russian occupation zone of Eastern Germany cries of help are going up "from girls and women who are being brutally raped and whose bodily and spiritual health is completely shaken." - Ravishing the women, link below

The United States and England refused to acknowledge what was happening. It went on daily for two years. I think its time for us to release all files pertaining to the mass 2 year rapes and find out why the Democratic Party went along with this. What did we know? When did we know it? I'm starting to realize why 70% of our documents from WW 2 are still classified......

Here is more on the subject, that we ignored, and many still do....
http://www.geocities.ws/avflf/RavishingTheWomen_1.html

One thing that reading this forum has taught me is to do at least a quick check of the sources. Here's what Wiki has to say about the author of that article Austin App. I now have a better idea where #6 is headed with all of this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin_App

Austin Joseph App (1902 – 1984) was a controversial German-American professor of medieval English literature who taught at the University of Scranton and La Salle University. App defended Germans and Nazi Germany during World War II. [1] He is known for his work denying the Holocaust, and he has been called the first major American holocaust denier. [2]

In 1973 App laid out eight "axioms", or what he described as "incontrovertible assertions" about the Holocaust in his 1973 pamphlet The Six Million Swindle:
1.Emigration, not extermination, was the German Nazi plan for dealing with Germany’s "Jewish problem".
2.No Jews were gassed in any German concentration camps and not at Auschwitz either.
3.Jews who disappeared during the years of World War II and have not been accounted for did so in territories under Soviet, rather than German, control.
4.The majority of Jews who were killed by the Nazis were people whom the Nazis had every right to "execute" as subversives, spies, and criminals.
5.If the Holocaust claims have any truth, Israel would have opened its archives to historians.
6.All evidence to support the "hoax" of six million dead rests upon misquotes of Nazis and Nazi documents.
7.It is incumbent upon the accusers to prove the six million figure.
8.Jewish historians and other scholars have great discrepancies in their calculations of the number of victims. (App 1973, 1977).

[Desiree Clary]

Originally Posted by Number 6

The Pope and the Vatican told us what was going on.


"On April 27, 1946 Vatican Radio charged that in the Russian occupation zone of Eastern Germany cries of help are going up "from girls and women who are being brutally raped and whose bodily and spiritual health is completely shaken." - Ravishing the women, link below

The United States and England refused to acknowledge what was happening. It went on daily for two years. I think its time for us to release all files pertaining to the mass 2 year rapes and find out why the Democratic Party went along with this. What did we know? When did we know it? I'm starting to realize why 70% of our documents from WW 2 are still classified......

Here is more on the subject, that we ignored, and many still do....
http://www.geocities.ws/avflf/RavishingTheWomen_1.html

That was in 1946, during the Cold War. Exactly what were "we" meaning I guess President Truman and Prime Minister Attlee, supposed to do about it? Nuke them?

[jeffdoorgunnr]

Originally Posted by Paul Mann III

Rape is his specialty, or at least his hobby.

that and trying to add his odd twist to history...........

[clackers]

Originally Posted by Number 6

Here is more on the subject, that we ignored, and many still do....
http://www.geocities.ws/avflf/RavishingTheWomen_1.html

Number 6, you have lost what remained of my sympathy for you. I don't think, as we say, you're "all there", and I feel for your family and work colleagues.

You simply can't take a hint.

Your poorly researched, shoddy, politically-loaded posts drag down the value of these historical forums.

Your source is described by Wiki:

"Austin Joseph App (1902 – 1984) was a controversial German-American professor of medieval English literature who taught at the University of Scranton and La Salle University. App defended Germans and Nazi Germany during World War II. [1] He is known for his work denying the Holocaust, and he has been called the first major American holocaust denier. [2]

In 1973 App laid out eight "axioms", or what he described as "incontrovertible assertions" about the Holocaust in his 1973 pamphlet The Six Million Swindle:
1.Emigration, not extermination, was the German Nazi plan for dealing with Germany’s "Jewish problem".
2.No Jews were gassed in any German concentration camps and not at Auschwitz either.
3.Jews who disappeared during the years of World War II and have not been accounted for did so in territories under Soviet, rather than German, control.
4.The majority of Jews who were killed by the Nazis were people whom the Nazis had every right to "execute" as subversives, spies, and criminals.
5.If the Holocaust claims have any truth, Israel would have opened its archives to historians.
6.All evidence to support the "hoax" of six million dead rests upon misquotes of Nazis and Nazi documents.
7.It is incumbent upon the accusers to prove the six million figure.
8.Jewish historians and other scholars have great discrepancies in their calculations of the number of victims. (App 1973, 1977).

App’s work inspired the Institute for Historical Review, the California center of Holocaust denial founded in 1978.[citation needed] App "inundated" magazines, newspapers and politicians with Anti-Semitic letters complaining about Frankin D Roosevelt entering World War II without which Hitler could have won the war. App equated Communists and Jews, and blamed both for post war problems rather than Nazi Germany which did not start the war. He blamed Germany's post war problems on a plan which was not put into effect. Few of the letters were published.

He worked to get Germans and Austrians the chance to emigrate to the United States instead of holocaust survivors."

[sebfrench76]

Originally Posted by panther3485

Does this mean that Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland did acknowledge what was happening? And what about the French? They had an occupation zone too, right?

Ouhlala!!!
The frogs were the worst !
They used to rap the pooor little german girls,and then shaved their heads to say to the Soviet ally" you can have this one,we french already tested her."

[Scott Fraser]

Originally Posted by Number 6

The Pope and the Vatican told us what was going on.


"On April 27, 1946 Vatican Radio charged that in the Russian occupation zone of Eastern Germany cries of help are going up "from girls and women who are being brutally raped and whose bodily and spiritual health is completely shaken." - Ravishing the women, link below

The United States and England refused to acknowledge what was happening. It went on daily for two years. I think its time for us to release all files pertaining to the mass 2 year rapes and find out why the Democratic Party went along with this. What did we know? When did we know it? I'm starting to realize why 70% of our documents from WW 2 are still classified......

Here is more on the subject, that we ignored, and many still do....
http://www.geocities.ws/avflf/RavishingTheWomen_1.html

I hope someday you will expose yourself to a proper course of study in history, "reading history" as they say. There is a methodology and a discipline at the heart of it which demands that each statement, opinion or conclusion be provable by reference to some source. The manuscript is put before others in a process called "peer review" where they are able to attack weaknesses and challenge the thesis, if it needs it. What results is then published in an academic journal or by an academic publisher and becomes an history book, complete with footnotes, bibliography and an index. That's a process many of us here have experienced, at one time or another. It gives us an appreciation of the need for facts.

In this case, again, your original post is provocative and not justified by a shred of evidence. That was established a long time ago, but this thread has staggered along because rape is controversial and the topic will always get a rise from people, perfect fodder for a troll. It should have been locked a long time ago, as soon as it was established that you were full of crap and unwilling to admit it. Your sources are flawed, your logic is flawed, and your whole point of view is rather skewed, alarmingly so.

That said, I suppose you've come to the right place. You will be told right away when you post nonsense. There are lots of very knowledgeable people here, professional historians and gifted amateurs, people who have studied the Second World War for years, in all its intricate aspects. You will quickly be shot down and pointed to information rebutting your position. It's worth following those links. After a while you'll be ready to learn something different from what you were taught in grade school.

You're much better off to use the search function and read some of what has been posted here about topics that interest you. We've covered a lot of ground over the years. There is much to be learned from browsing various threads. When you've done that, go for it, ask questions, but don't come out of the starting gate with such ridiculous statements or you simply won't be taken seriously. There are other places where people don't know or care about the facts and you can indulge in your conspiracy theories unchallenged.

Regards
Scott Fraser

[Number 6]

I have provided plenty of other links, but it was demanded I not use female historians by some. Just clicking on google, I found several thousand more.

Most however do state their info is from the 2 females I already listed.

With the exception of the documentary I linked to that has statements from the women themselves.

As for holocaust revisionists they misuse the term the same way 911 Truthers misuse the term mashup and rightist cultists misuse the term libertarian.

Since the UK and Germany have opened up all their WW 2 files, which we haven't by the way, we now know that Hitler got monthly accounts of the dead in the camps. As did the Grand Mufti. We know the diplomatic corps and military played far larger roles than historians ever thought before.

We also know that the British recorded all the German officers they held 24/7 and they talked openly about what was going on.

So Clackers I probably should have avoided the bait of "any historian but a woman" but no I think holocaust deniers are just trying to find ways to embarrass their parents and have what Lenin called, "an infantile disorder".