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That looks like an Israeli Magach VII possibly in Turkish service...or to be more accurate, that my friend is a Sabra modification of Turkey's Patton tanks.

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That looks like an Israeli Magach VII possibly in Turkish service...or to be more accurate, that my friend is a Sabra modification of Turkey's Patton tanks.
Great job!

It is indeed a heavily modified Turkish M60
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Turkish Army 2nd Main Maintenance Center Command is upgrading the M60A1's with a new modular armour package which is delivered to Turkey in kits by Israeli Military Industries (IMI) with technology transfer. The upgraded version retained the M60 Patton style M19 cupola with its 12.7mm M85 machine gun. This mini-turret and the Commander's Independent Thermal Viewer (CITV) allow the 12.7mm M85 MG to be fired from inside. The modernization program includes the Elbit Systems electric gun and turret drive stabilization mechanism with a new fire control system (built by Aselsan) and a new 120mm MG253 smoothbore gun (built by MKEK). In addition, the upgraded tank is equipped with thermal imaging system, an automatic fire and explosion suppression system, a threat warning system, smoke grenade launchers and a 60 mm mortar system (supplied by Soltam Ltd). The upgrade program also encompasses the Merkava Mk.IV add-on armour technology and explosive reactive armour (ERA), 1000 hp MTU Friedrichshafen diesel engine/transmission, full system modernization and integration capability, a new improved Merkava Mk.IV tracks, RWR/IR warning system and NBC protection.
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I know it's not a tank, but someone just parked a M113 Lynx outside my Workplace... in the Banking district... strange.
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I'd say that silhouette shot is a member of the Challenger family.
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I'd say that silhouette shot is a member of the Challenger family.
It certainly is! It's the big brother, the Challenger 2. Well done
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I know it's not a tank, but someone just parked a M113 Lynx outside my Workplace... in the Banking district... strange.
Is it maybe an embattled banker who feels he needs a little extra security during these times of financial upheaval
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That was the end of the road for this tank!

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That was the end of the road for this tank!

Easy. FT-17 or derivative, maybe a Fiat 3000.

Edit: infact the shape of the tracks makes me think it is a Fiat 3000.

Edit II: Ok I was wrong its an "NC-1" of the 1st Yugoslav Tank Battalion in 1941. What ever that is.

Edit III: FFS, Wikipedia says its an updated FT-17:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Char_D1#FT_K.C3.A9gresse

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That was the end of the road for this tank!

A variant of the Renault FT tank with Kegresse suspension, sometimes known as the M28/29, as used by Yugoslavia up to the time of the German invasion in 1941.

(Listy, the NC1 had different suspension/running gear.)
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Listy and Panther you both contributed equally to this one. Great team work

You were both on the right track, this tank is an Renault NC2 or FT-17 Kegresse and also know as Modèle 24/25 (in which 24 refers to project 1924 and 25 refers to the year the project was completed). In essence, the tank is an FT-17 light tank with the Kegresse suspension and a larger engine (hence the much enlarged engine deck) which delivered 62bhp.

I am quite impressed you both identified it as a Yugoslavian tank May I ask how you were able to discern that?
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Listy and Panther you both contributed equally to this one. Great team work

You were both on the right track, this tank is an Renault NC2 or FT-17 Kegresse and also know as Modèle 24/25 (in which 24 refers to project 1924 and 25 refers to the year the project was completed). In essence, the tank is an FT-17 light tank with the Kegresse suspension and a larger engine (hence the much enlarged engine deck) which delivered 62bhp.

I am quite impressed you both identified it as a Yugoslavian tank May I ask how you were able to discern that?
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Listy and Panther you both contributed equally to this one. Great team work

You were both on the right track, this tank is an Renault NC2 or FT-17 Kegresse and also know as Modèle 24/25 (in which 24 refers to project 1924 and 25 refers to the year the project was completed). In essence, the tank is an FT-17 light tank with the Kegresse suspension and a larger engine (hence the much enlarged engine deck) which delivered 62bhp.

I am quite impressed you both identified it as a Yugoslavian tank May I ask how you were able to discern that?
First, could you please give a reference for the designation, Modele 24/25? My book source has it as a Modele 28/29 (as I stated above). The source is:

Page 42, 'The Renault FT Light Tank', Steven Zaloga & Peter Sarson, Osprey.

Also, another book source of mine would dispute your designation of NC2 as, according to it, the NC-2 (also designated NC31, as in 1931) had suspension & running gear very similar to the NC-1 but heavier; nothing like the Kegresse versions. That source is:

Pages 31-32, 'Tanks of the World 1915-45', Peter Chamberlain & Chris Ellis, Arms and Armour Press

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First, could you please give a reference for the designation, Modele 24/25? My book source has it as a Modele 28/29 (as I stated above). The source is:

Page 42, 'The Renault FT Light Tank', Steven Zaloga & Peter Sarson, Osprey.
I got that info from a Dutch wiki website (http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Char_D1)... But if your Osprey books says 28/29 then it's probably correct

Though, I have looked around and found a French website also dating the NC2 to 1925. If their naming procedures do indeed follow years then 24/25 would seem to make sense
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I am quite impressed you both identified it as a Yugoslavian tank May I ask how you were able to discern that?
While I like Arthwys' Version of events, the answer is easy. I found a website that had the front shot of the same vehicle. Then Wikipedia had the same photo. Both had a caption pointing towards Yugoslavian.
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