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Another Tanker Seized By Pirates

Yesterday, Somali pirates seized another tanker, this one belonging to Germany.

What can or should be done?
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yep the Japanese are even going in in support....answer is to board and storm and shoot the rat bastards then and there...no matter CC's.

Then bomb the schitze outa of Somalia fer each incident....no mercy...they won't give me any.

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We should be given the chance to see just how good the German GS 9 really is.

We should have reached the point a long time ago. Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way.
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We should be given the chance to see just how good the German GS 9 really is.

We should have reached the point a long time ago. Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way.
Yup. Maybe a SEAL/GS9 co-op. Would this fall under the NATO agreement?
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Yup. Maybe a SEAL/GS9 co-op. Would this fall under the NATO agreement?
Had not thought about it but you might be right. Some of the German media would eat that up. Bild Zietung. Do you remeber the daily rag?
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Bild Zietung. Do you remeber the daily rag?
Nah. I only lived on the economy for two years in Fulda. When we moved to Illeshiem we lived on post so my immersion in German was lost.
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Nah. I only lived on the economy for two years in Fulda. When we moved to Illeshiem we lived on post so my immersion in German was lost.
Except for the cutie on page one you didn't miss a lot.
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It doesn't seem too tricky to tackle - its something that has been done many times before.

There are three parts to it:

1) Straight military action
2) Moral courage
3) Intelligence led work against the sources of support and refuge, and follow the money.

1) We know how to transit merchant shipping through hostile waters. The RN and USN have been doing it for centuries. You organise escorted convoys, and you deploy active hunter/killer patrols. You also set up some decoys - unescorted merchant ships with a suprise package of marines and some heavy metal aboard. You route all vessels in such a way that it is hard for the enemy to reach them, and so they spend as long as possible under friendly air cover. This really is naval academy 101 stuff. Helicoptors and unmanned drones just make it so much easier than it was before.

2) You never, ever pay the ransom. Not ever. Not even once. I'm really sorry about the handful of innocent lives that will be lost, but its a drop in the ocean against the lives that will eventually be lost if the problem gets out of hand.

3) You find the backers and supporters, and change the profit/loss calculation for them. If this fishing village conceals pirates, one morning an RN vessel appears, and sinks every fishing boat it finds. You locate the bankers and the people supplying the weaponry, and visit them in the night with extreme prejudice. The UK lawyers who act as intermediaries are debarred from practicing law.

Put bluntly, you create a situation where its easier to be a fisherman than a pirate. A few hardcore will persist, but come nowhere close to either the RN or USN in the application of violence. They won't survive to reproduce.

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You also set up some decoys - unescorted merchant ships with a suprise package of marines and some heavy metal aboard.
Q-Ships. I like Q-Ships.
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I'm still waiting for a youtube video of a Phalanx tearing up a speedboat.

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That's been my recommendation for sometime. I think it just might give the pirates 2nd thoughts, if they should survive.
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With the way oil prices have dropped, the oil company should make the pirates pay them to take it back....

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It doesn't seem too tricky to tackle - its something that has been done many times before.

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2) You never, ever pay the ransom. Not ever. Not even once. I'm really sorry about the handful of innocent lives that will be lost, but its a drop in the ocean against the lives that will eventually be lost if the problem gets out of hand.

3) You find the backers and supporters, and change the profit/loss calculation for them. If this fishing village conceals pirates, one morning an RN vessel appears, and sinks every fishing boat it finds. You locate the bankers and the people supplying the weaponry, and visit them in the night with extreme prejudice. The UK lawyers who act as intermediaries are debarred from practicing law.

Put bluntly, you create a situation where its easier to be a fisherman than a pirate. A few hardcore will persist, but come nowhere close to either the RN or USN in the application of violence. They won't survive to reproduce.

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I agree with your post. The time of standing fast is over. Time for action. I believe it is time Somalia is cleaned up. What is needed is a strongly committed force, heavily armed and well led. It must contain naval, army, marine and air force. It has to hit all at once so the rebels have no idea where it hit them from. Special Forces should/need to be involved.
For far too long, this has been a festering mess that will only worsen as time goes by. LETS DO IT!!! Come on Obama - let's see if you have the cajoles.
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Then bomb the schitze outa of Somalia fer each incident....no mercy...they won't give me any.
I question how effective that or other Gaza Strip/Einsatzgruppen tactics would be, Considering that Somalia is pretty much a anarchist/libertarian state...
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