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Ethiopia to withdraw from Somalia

After occupying it for 2 years Ethiopia is about to leave, with the Islamic Courts resurgent and the re-installed Government as weak as it was before the invasion.
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After occupying it for 2 years Ethiopia is about to leave, with the Islamic Courts resurgent and the re-installed Government as weak as it was before the invasion.
Is the Somali government actually in the country now?
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I was'nt aware they even had a centrilized goverment
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A classic example of how an ill planned and ill advised armed interference can actually make things worse and bring the fanatics into the limelight and into power.
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Is the Somali government actually in the country now?
They were. Moved in shortly after the Ethiopians cleared an area for them.

IIRC the Ethiopians were partly concerned with Eritrean involvement and Somalian arms smuggling to Ethiopian groups. That may no longer be a major concern.
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yupper concur ya might like these...


but as to a UN stab force? sheeeeettt.

http://www.voanews.com/english/Afric...12-01-voa7.cfm


http://allafrica.com/stories/200811300005.html
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After occupying it for 2 years Ethiopia is about to leave, with the Islamic Courts resurgent and the re-installed Government as weak as it was before the invasion.
Thanks for the info.

Link Here for French speaking people.

I Updated This thread.

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A classic example of how an ill planned and ill advised armed interference can actually make things worse and bring the fanatics into the limelight and into power.
No the only country to do that though, he?
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No the only country to do that though, he?
To add that it seems the Ethiopian Gov. was shiped arms and apcs by US and EU ...

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To add that it seems the Ethiopian Gov. was shiped arms and apcs by US and EU ...

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ahh. I believe you are correct. and so is ED Morel.

Like I said, a short sighted overreaction led to the botched up situation.
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ahh. I believe you are correct. and so is ED Morel.Like I said, a short sighted overreaction led to the botched up situation.
I just hope the radicals among the I.C.U won't make too much propaganda around that, shall they come to power ...

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The Ethiopians claim that they will withdraw but will be able to launch air attacks or incursions over the border if the Islamic courts try to do anything foolish.

Maybe this is the way to deal with these things. Go in but don't get bogged down or too much involved in nation building. I don't think this is possible in Iraq but why not in Afghanistan?
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The Ethiopians claim that they will withdraw but will be able to launch air attacks or incursions over the border if the Islamic courts try to do anything foolish.
The Somalia occupation finally turned to be a poisoned gift for them ... I understand they don't want to turn it into a nightmare.

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Maybe this is the way to deal with these things. Go in but don't get bogged down or too much involved in nation building. I don't think this is possible in Iraq but why not in Afghanistan?
Perhaps.
The Talibans claim they are not Jihadists, so don't want to expand beyond Afghanistan, the problem is US and EU + UN still hold the idea that Afghanistan can become a democratic country which won't go with the Taliban agenda.

And the Pakistanian Gov seems to have its own problems.

I agree that If US-EU-UN don't "delocalise" we are here for a long time.

Or it seems that the Taliban are also "delocalising" in Pakistan ATM.

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Perhaps.
The Talibans claim they are not Jihadists, so don't want to expand beyond Afghanistan, the problem is US and EU + UN still hold the idea that Afghanistan can become a democratic country which won't go with the Taliban agenda.
Even if they were to expand, that's not a US/NATO problem. Let Russia or China deal with it, they are the main concerned because it's their neighborhood.
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Sharif back in Mogadishu

MOGADISHU (Reuters) - Somalia's moderate Islamist leader Sheikh Sharif Ahmed returned to Mogadishu for the first time in two years Wednesday

Security was tightened in the capital as Sharif, who is in talks with the country's Western-backed interim government, was rushed to a hotel in a northern district of the city surrounded by government troops and Islamist militiamen.

Sharif was one of two main leaders of a sharia courts group driven from the capital by government soldiers and their Ethiopian military allies at the start of last year.

Sharif's return brought a rare ray of hope to some Somalis. But experts say he has little influence over Islamist hardliners who have steadily gained ground to control most of the south, and are camped on the outskirts of Mogadishu.

Now Ethiopia says it will pull out its troops by the end of December, leaving a probable power vacuum and more bloodshed.

http://www.reuters.com/article/world...4B943G20081210

Can someone please explain what a moderate Islamist is?
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