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Hell no, NOT our problem!

Let the old colonialsts clean thier mess up.

Or better yet, let the Africans, for ONCE, make just one thing better, or at least as good, as it was when the damn Imperialists were running the show.


Better yet, why dont the people who have been whinning for years about how Evil and terrible America is go take care of it?

I advocate Fortress America, and not a penny for foreign aid until after we can balance our budget.
I would like to see the US cut foreign aid drastically which would be a great start for balancing the budget. Plenty of AMERICANS in need of a variety of services. Accessible medical/prescription care, Veteran services, college etc to name a few. And I don't mean creating a welfare state. If a person is abusing the system by living off the government then they are violating the spirit if not the law and should be disqualified. I am referring to citizens who make the effort and deserve a fair shake regarding what is basic subsistence in today's world.

I am sympathetic to world problems. How much foreign aid actually reaches those in need? Are there checks/balances in place to make certain monies are properly accounted for? How much foreign aid does the US supply and to who?

While I rant where can one find financial info regarding the UN? Who are it's financial contributors and how much? Is the US paid rent for the building space? How does the US benefit for being one of it's major members?

I am all for Fortress America. Let us solve our internal socio/economic issues with a balanced budget before underwritng foreign aid.
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What "gains" were there in Vietnam??????....rice???
Vietnam was an idiotic decision anyway regreted by every country (Western!) that took part in it. As Afgahnistan will turn out to be! Ask the Ruskies in the finish they could not get out quick enough!!
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Cutting US aid to the world would cut a lot of its influence. This would harm its position as the world superpower. China would simply fill the gap.
Moreover aid comes in different forms. One such as tied aid is more beneficial to the donor nation than the nation that receives it. Tied aid can have requirements such as a hotel must be built (return on investment) this puts the money back into the US economy. This is an old practice done by many nations and there has been attempts to get rid of it. There is also military aid which can be used to help keep a nation on your side from falling to insurgent/enemy forces and thus maintaining your influence in that area.

'Empire' nowadays involves having 'influence' in different nations around the world. This can be done in many ways; such as flooding a nation with money or arms. For example take a look at the military aid given to Latin American nations to help fend off Communist insurgents and thus losing it to the USSR.
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Hell no, NOT our problem!

Let the old colonialsts clean thier mess up.

Or better yet, let the Africans, for ONCE, make just one thing better, or at least as good, as it was when the damn Imperialists were running the show.


Better yet, why dont the people who have been whinning for years about how Evil and terrible America is go take care of it?

I advocate Fortress America, and not a penny for foreign aid until after we can balance our budget.

Better take another look. The USAFRICACOMMAND recently went operational. Four Star command with the purpose of helping Africa.
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I think Belgium should send their forces into the Congo to quell the disturbances. France has done this with great success in Chad and Mauritania.
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NONE of the worlds main powers are very interested in African problems, Probably because there is no possible obvious lucrative gains to be had there.If that was not so they would have jumped to the poor peoples aid long ago!!
China is. Actually I've been amazed at the extent of Chinese involvement in Africa. There are now more Chinese in Nigeria than there ever were under the British.

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Is this the former Belgian Congo/Congo/Zaire/Congo? Seems to me the Belgians have some sort of strong moral obligation.
I think the Belgians are having enough trouble trying to keep their own country together - with Flemish vs Walloons - let alone worrying about Africa.


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Cutting US aid to the world would cut a lot of its influence. This would harm its position as the world superpower. China would simply fill the gap.
Most US aid goes to Israel. I can't see them stopping that - even if it means borrowing from China.

I agree with those posters who are against involvement - Africa is not our problem. We attempted some civilising missions in the past - with a singular lack of success. No good turn ever goes unpunished.

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China is. Actually I've been amazed at the extent of Chinese involvement in Africa. There are now more Chinese in Nigeria than there ever were under the British.



I think the Belgians are having enough trouble trying to keep their own country together - with Flemish vs Walloons - let alone worrying about Africa.




Most US aid goes to Israel. I can't see them stopping that - even if it means borrowing from China.

I agree with those posters - Africa is not our problem. We attempted some civilising missions in the past - with a singular lack of success.
One reason the U.S. gives so much aid to Israel could be because the U.S. probably has one of the largest population of Jews outside of Israel. This is not a jab at the Jewish nation in general and if I am wrong I will apologise quite willingly.
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One reason the U.S. gives so much aid to Israel could be because the U.S. probably has one of the largest population of Jews outside of Israel. This is not a jab at the Jewish nation in general and if I am wrong I will apologise quite willingly.
The United States has lots of Africans but they get relatively little aid. I think the crux is that the Jews have so much influence. I don't blame them. They're just looking after their own though I sometimes wonder whether American foreign policy isn't just Jewish foreign policy.

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The United States has lots of Africans but they get relatively little aid. I think the crux is that the Jews have so much influence. I don't blame them. They're just looking after their own though I sometimes wonder whether American foreign policy isn't just Jewish foreign policy.
Well you have just made the point i was a little reluctant to voice in case I was called racist,Yes many of the rich people have also a lot of influance and are also of the Jewish faith and I do not blame them for pulling out all the stops for their own people, I would probably do the same. You referring to the Africans getting very little aid comes back to an earlier letter of mine regarding the African problems, what swings the aid in favour of any particular country is the age old question, "Whats in it for us?"
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Most US aid goes to Israel. I can't see them stopping that - even if it means borrowing from China.
Regardless if most of their aid goes to Israel, cutting it to Africa would loose influence. Giving aid to a country can bring lots of benefits such as oil drilling rights and other such things. Africa has lots of natural resources.
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The UN has been going great guns in the Congo over recent years. There was some photo's/footage of the Swedes prodding buttock a while back. A bandit company got squished by a Swedish CV-90 Platoon, after kicking off on one of the main roads. I dare say the rest of MONUC is doing the same.
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Regardless if most of their aid goes to Israel, cutting it to Africa would loose influence. Giving aid to a country can bring lots of benefits such as oil drilling rights and other such things. Africa has lots of natural resources.
I'm not sure what benefits America has gotten with its aid to Israel.
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You realy don't know? Internal Financial and Political backing of which ever Party is in power!!
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IF we are the peoples we say we are we would have been there, in force, years ago. One, one multi national division would go a long way in solving some problems or at least providing the security for the locals to solve their problems. France, Belgium, Britian, Portual have a moral interest in solving some of the problems they left behind. As far as the US. We might provide support in massive amount with naval and air units but the feet on the ground well have to come from Europe.

Well said! Just once I would like to see someone stick up for the little guy when it isn't in their best interest.
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During one of the debates Obama mentioned sending helicopter for transporting some UN peace keepers in Africa.

One thing to always rember is the US give alot aid in various forms to Africa. I can not rember the numbers at the moment but if i rember right is that it equaled the next five countries in aid contributions.
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