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View Poll Results: Should abstinence be taught an alternative to condom use in Africa?
Yes, abstinence is the only 100% effective way of preventing the spread of Sexually Transmitted HIV. 15 57.69%
No, people have little or no self-restraint and can't be trusted to do what's in their own self-interest. 8 30.77%
I have no opinion and I don't care what is done to stop the spread of HIV in Africa. 3 11.54%
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Is it really so hard to craft a poll that asks:

1. Yes
2. No
3. Unsure

I mean, is it really that hard?

The wording of the "no" option in this particular poll is, er, a little biased.
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Is it really so hard to craft a poll that asks:

1. Yes
2. No
3. Unsure

I mean, is it really that hard?

The wording of the "no" option in this particular poll is, er, a little biased.
heh. heh. heh.

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Is it really so hard to craft a poll that asks:

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I mean, is it really that hard?

The wording of the "no" option in this particular poll is, er, a little biased.
What reasons would you have put down for people not using condoms when it could save their life? I would have added that people are ignorant and self-indulgent, but that should be a given.
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Maybe because they are following the Genesis 1:28
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It was the first order give to mankind by God according to the bible.
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Maybe because they are following the Genesis 1:28
Really? Where in the Bible does it say continue to try to multiply even though it may kill you? Seriously...where does it say to abandon all intelligence and do something that is completely self-destructive? Would you condone giving free alcohol to an alcoholic because "he's gonna get it from somewhere!". That's ignorant, childish, and irresponsible, and it is is the same lazy, indulgent attitude that's killing our social structure as it is.

Thanks for making absolutely clear your ideas about the inability of man to separate himself from a mere rutting alley cat.
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It was the first order give to mankind by God according to the bible.
So now you are going to pick and choose what to believe and follow in the bible? Here's a newsflash for you, Corky...most of the people of Africa are NOT Christians.

Want to try another terribly ignorant argument?
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So now you are going to pick and choose what to believe and follow in the bible? Here's a newsflash for you, Corky...most of the people of Africa are NOT Christians.

Want to try another terribly ignorant argument?
Here is an new flash for you Christianity is largest religion in Africa, with 360 million in 2000.

http://www.bible.ca/global-religion-...cyclopedia.htm

It is not what I believe but what the Africans believe that influences their behavior
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Here is an new flash for you Christianity is largest religion in Africa, with 360 million in 2000.

http://www.bible.ca/global-religion-...cyclopedia.htm

It is not what I believe but what the Africans believe that influences their behavior
You are correct, Pat.
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Here is an new flash for you Christianity is largest religion in Africa, with 360 million in 2000.

http://www.bible.ca/global-religion-...cyclopedia.htm

It is not what I believe but what the Africans believe that influences their behavior
That site's a joke....what is a "natural Christian"? There is no such thing at all in my book, as EVERY Christian MUST be "reborn". That's due to a little thing called "original sin". Also, look at the numbers of "professed" Christians. This number is misleading as well. That entire site is completely bogus, as "converts" equal only 430K. My kids weren't born Christians, they are allowed to make that choice on their own.

If all of these Africans who are getting and spreading HIV through unprotected, extra-marital sex Are any type of Christian, I would submit that they don't REALLY practice Christianity.

How many Christians in the US do YOU think use and support the use of condoms? Canadians? I know I do. I would submit that it is the Catholics who don't believe in the use of condoms for the most part, NOT Christians as a whole.

But all of this makes too much sense and is a practical application of religion, and it doesn't support your belief that all Christians believe abstinence is the ONLY way to stop the spread of Sexually Transmitted HIV.

While I believe it is the BEST way to do so because it is the ONLY way to 100% guarantee a person does NOT get HIV through sexual contact, I do believe that condoms are an important part of preventing aids between married couples in which one partner has acquired HIV through ANY means.

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Oh did not realize that you do not consider Catholics or Orthodox as Christians.

By your standard Canada is not a christian country at all.
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Oh did not realize that you do not consider Catholics or Orthodox as Christians.

By your standard Canada is not a christian country at all.
Not true at all, but YOU lump them all together, which is just as bad or worse, because it assumes we all believe the exact same things.
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Not true at all, but YOU lump them all together, which is just as bad or worse, because it assumes we all believe the exact same things.
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What reasons would you have put down for people not using condoms when it could save their life? I would have added that people are ignorant and self-indulgent, but that should be a given.
That's not what your question asked. Your question asked if abstinence should be taught as an alternative to condom use.

A no answer could certainly mean that the respondent believes that condoms are a sufficient counter and that teaching abstinence is not required. No could also mean that we should be dropping B-52 loads worth of free condoms on every village in Africa.

Your poll response implies people either must know abstinence or they are suicidal.
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There are times I want to strangle people, but I don't - it's called self-control, and it separates us from the animals.
Seconded.

While it is true that you can't force people to be responsible why are so many people opposed to teaching responsibility? Condoms don't always work but if you keep your fly up it's a non-issue. Sure not everyone is going to buy the message but does that make the message wrong? Most people don't eat healthy, does that mean we scrap the food pyrsmid and teach our kids to pig out on twinkies?

Abstinance works. Logically you can't get a sexually transmitted disease if you aren't having sex. Find a partner with the same values and get married and you still have 0% risk. Yet people are opposed to teaching this. Did they fall asleep in biology?

There's nothing wrong with teaching responsibility people. Maybe not everyone will buy it but, hey, if it keeps 100,000 or 1,000 or only 100 from dying from the common cold was it a bad idea? Or do people find personal responsibility to be repugnant these days?
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