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Somali Piracy, International Law and Tiramisu

Very good, wide ranging piece on Somali piracy, including interviews with naval officers, legal experts - and the pirates themsevles - from NYT:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/16/wo...c73&ei=5087%0A

Some points:
- Pirates are now hunting in packs up of to 30 motorized skiffs;
- The (so-called) Somali govt is in favor of cleaning up the pirate dens;
- The Egypt stands to lose huge amounts of forex as ships are now going round the Cape to avoid the pirates rather than through the Suez Canal;
- Navies don't believe they have jurisdicion over captured pirates;
- A US Law professor, OTOH, maintains that international law on piracy is very clear, and navies can go in much harder if they wish;
- International security/mercenary firms, fresh from Iraq, are flocking to the Red Sea, but are unable to carry firearms on board merchant ships;
- Even NATO captains understand the romantic lure of piracy; and
- The Italian navy dines well!
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UN allows intl anti-piracy operations on land

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The UN Security Council voted a resolution authorising countries fighting piracy off the Somali coast to carry out operations on Somalia's territory and in its airspace, subject to approval by its government.
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Seems China might have a go, or just wants to scare the **** outa other countries so they have a go themselves.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.a...700814&rss=yes

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The report came as China considered sending warships to fight piracy off Somalia, state media said, announcing what would be an unprecedented display of naval power far from its shores.
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I prefer Tiramisu to the other two options.
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I can't see how raids on pirate sanctuaries would work. The problem with pirates is - like terrorists - they don't wear a uniform, so when they are not pirating or terrorising, they look just like your average local.

Can we storm in to a coastal village, blow up all boats and suspicious warehouses - only to find out later that we just blitzed a fishing village?

Will be interesting to see how this works out in practice....

The appropriate forces would be, by historical precedent, the Royal Navy (the boys who took the head of Blackbeard) and the US Marines ("shores of Tripoli"). Oh hang on - the Royal Navy no longer exists, you say? Ah well - leave it to the Jarheads, then.

As for a longer-term, boots-on-ground commitment to securing Somalia:
IIRC, the US has already tried that ("Black Hawk Down") and it was a disaster. Ye don't think Bush is going to launch one last war ("The War on Piracy") in his last months in office....?
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I can't see how raids on pirate sanctuaries would work. The problem with pirates is - like terrorists - they don't wear a uniform, so when they are not pirating or terrorising, they look just like your average local.

Can we storm in to a coastal village, blow up all boats and suspicious warehouses - only to find out later that we just blitzed a fishing village?

Will be interesting to see how this works out in practice....

The appropriate forces would be, by historical precedent, the Royal Navy (the boys who took the head of Blackbeard) and the US Marines ("shores of Tripoli"). Oh hang on - the Royal Navy no longer exists, you say? Ah well - leave it to the Jarheads, then.

As for a longer-term, boots-on-ground commitment to securing Somalia:
IIRC, the US has already tried that ("Black Hawk Down") and it was a disaster. Ye don't think Bush is going to launch one last war ("The War on Piracy") in his last months in office....?
Catch 22, you need the boots on the ground to get the intel, unfortunately US strategists stuffed that up.

anyway heres something interesting http://www.dalkasomaliland.com/mmm/n...p?readmore=253
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Catch 22, you need the boots on the ground to get the intel, unfortunately US strategists stuffed that up.

anyway heres something interesting http://www.dalkasomaliland.com/mmm/n...p?readmore=253
I liked this section,
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"The strategy designed to block al-Shabaab actually gives them the target that fuels their insurgency," said Kenneth Menkhaus, a professor of political science at Davidson College in North Carolina. "It's self-defeating. The most effective way to stop al-Shabaab is Somali-led resistance."
So far the only things the Somalis have effectively 'resisted' is law and order. The Islamists have the advantages of outside funding and a common interest. No other collection or coalition in the country seems to be able to put together a coherent agenda capable of generating public support.

Somaliland seems to be relatively quiet. Perhaps it's time for the UN (and the US) to admit it cannot fix everything and break up the artificial construct that has been Somalia into smaller self-governing units.
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heres an interesting bit of research, good background info on somalia and the problems it has for itself and other nations trying to sort things out.

http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc...c=GetTRDoc.pdf
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I believe that fighter aircraft over the waters is the way to go rather than employing destroyers. Aircraft can bring about a far quicker response. Maybe some of these tankers need two helicopter gunships sitting on their decks as a deterrent. Anyone approaches, scramble the birds. What do you think??
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I believe that fighter aircraft over the waters is the way to go rather than employing destroyers. Aircraft can bring about a far quicker response. Maybe some of these tankers need two helicopter gunships sitting on their decks as a deterrent. Anyone approaches, scramble the birds. What do you think??
Yeah but, gunships in civilian hands, not so good. Planes are ok if someone is clearly attacking, but that means a carrier, costly.
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A long coastline and a lot of ocean to cover.

I just don't see any way to do this without dedicating some significant resources.
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I just don't see any way to do this without dedicating some significant resources.
nor without plenty small boats n boarding parties.
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