Top bolded part: I wasn't; what makes you think I did that?. It's just not as good as more modern tanks, no matter the conflict, in keeping with indochina's claim (until he comes back and clarifies). No matter how advanced the upgrade of a T-72, it's just not as good as the most advanced Abrams or Challengers or Leopards in use today...as examples.
It's a common perception amongst AFV enthusiasts,we naturally compare the effectiveness of tank "a" against tank "b" in any conflict and on first impression the massacre of T72s in the Middle East by Western ground forces seems quite unequivocal.I too thought that,until I looked a bit deeper into which versions of the 72 actually fought there.
The problem is that the T72 fielded by Iraq in the gulf looks much the same as the T72 fielded now by first rate militarys such as the S.U. and India.
In much the same way that the M1 looks much the same as the M1A2 and the Chally1 looks like the Chally2.
We know that the improvements between M1/Chally1 and M1A2/Chally2 are fundamental and result in what is effectively a different and far superior tank,we should assume the T72 has followed suit.
The T72 evolution spans 40 years,from the Ural (1973) version through all kinds of modifications to the T90.
We should perhaps be thankful that the Soviet government of the time saw fit only to export the "Monkey model" to Iraq.
Until a cutting edge Western tank actually goes up against a cutting edge T series we'll just just have to sit back and enjoy the discussion.
I doubt it. The engien may or may not make less noise but when somthing that heavy rolls down the road on it's tracks it makes a noise.
Yes it does,but the M1 series is actually quieter than equivalent tanks.
In the grand scheme of things a quiet tank is nice to have but it only really counts as a tactical advantage among recce vehicles.
On my armor recognition cards, it notes the M1, that it is quiet due to its turbine engine, but thirsty as well! The powerpack can be changed out in a little less than an hour if you burn it up, or press the thing to hard(or remove the govenor on it)...it happens, and will happen, if you dont watch the gauges!
As to the T-72 MBT, its kind of like going to a dealership and buying a new car, there is a choice to be made:
Base model...no power windows/door locks, stick shift, 4 cycl engine
Base EX Model...you get power this and that and rims, instead of hubcaps
Base plus EXT Model...V-6 engine full power, and cloth interior.
Base premier Sport...V-8 power everything, and leather interior, sport package.
Its the same with that T-72 tank, you can decide what your budget is and make your tank selection based on that. There are not stupid about it, sometimes they will throw in a free tank of gas, or 2 reloads of ammo, maybe even spare parts for it free for the first year...its like a car dealership, trust me. There are even test drives and such...
And Yes, they make a killing on it!
...Its one of our V-8's...Pursuit Special on methane, super hot!
Very possible. Quality of the video isn't good enough to catch a projectile in flight. OTOH I was wondering if the guy who comes around the back of the tank right after the explosion didn't toss a grenade in an open hatch. But again the video isn't good enough to be sure of anything.
Perhaps one of the crew.
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