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No, surely he wishes to understand what it was like to be a soldier/warrior from a given time and place.
If I was desperate to learn what it was like to be, say, a bowman at Agincourt or Knight at Poitiers, would I be better following A, or B, of the following methods:

A. buy horse (if knight), armour, appropriate weapons as determined by interest, take HEMA lessons, find like-minded individuals and discuss with them, go on camps which mimic the equipment available, read up on the period.

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B.Join the TA and spend some time learning how to drive HGVs around Humberside, clean an SA80A2 and go on adventure training in Canada.

This dude jousts at Leeds Armoury for the public entertainment. He has the kit, the horse, etc, He has studied HEMA. He is a re-enactor much like probably most others, who probably do not claim to actually be 'like soldiers'. Yet, how much of what he's doing in that picture is dependent on him servicing Apache Longbows or standing in a hut outside RAF Scampton?

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I would beg to differ on fellow above being a reenactor. He is participating in the excellent sport of jousting, and it is just as much of a sport today as it was back on the field of the cloth of gold. He is participating in a real sport with real competition and real results.

Ps my hometown will be hosting a jousting completion (along with rodeo and 3 day eventing, gymkhana, tent pegging ect ) this weekend at our local horse festival, and I'll be there watching with bells on.
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I'd agree - to an extent - if he were wearing modernised armour and his equipment were sporting grade of current standard, and if the 'theatre element' weren't there. When I've seen the jousting at leeds there's often a lot of additional 'theatre' to immerse you into the traditions of jousting, to 'take you back' to the field of cloth of gold and its like.
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I'd agree - to an extent - if he were wearing modernised armour and his equipment were sporting grade of current standard, and if the 'theatre element' weren't there. When I've seen the jousting at leeds there's often a lot of additional 'theatre' to immerse you into the traditions of jousting, to 'take you back' to the field of cloth of gold and its like.
Two points sir, firstly as far as modernised armour goes, there is nothing better than steel and leather for protecting your body against the terrific force that a lance could inflict. Fibreglass just wouldn't cut it.

Secondly, theatre is, was, and will always be a part of sport.

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Two points sir, firstly as far as modernised armour goes, there is nothing better than steel and leather for protecting your body against the terrific force that a lance could inflict. Fibreglass just wouldn't cut it.
A fair point but I'm sure there are modern materials and at least, modern aesthetics which could replace those of antiquity

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Definitely, but it is the particularly historical character of that theatre which bleeds re-enactment into jousting. This is in my opinion no bad thing.

Sport and re-enactment, in that sense, need not be mutually exclusive.
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How about renaming the hobby to 'Live action modelling'. That way you can drop the pretence to educational value or 'honouring the soldiers' and just enjoy it.

Advertising the ideal of a good, clean war to teenagers does nobody any good.
Good ideas and valid points.
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lodestar on reenactments......If he speaks, it matters!

Hmmm haven't looked at this thread-starter of mine for a while.
Interest piqued again when I recently saw some reenacters doing their bit around ANZAC Day.

Harmless stuff as most things in Australia are!

However as I said in my OP, OTHER Reenacters do worry me.

Has anybody had personal experience with the following:

"But what’s with these guys depicting the SS or other Axis units of dubious distinction?
I recall a few months ago someone surreptitiously taped a gathering of some SS re-enactors in the UK. One of them is distinctly heard making some pretty damning comments about ‘Pakis’ or blacks along the lines of how he’d like to deal with ‘those’ kind of people. [/B]
In other words he said what you’d expect someone from the friggin’ actual SS to say!Don’t know what happened but I imagine recruitment to the re-enactment group did not go up."

Who’d want to join something like that? Very strange.

Even someone choosing to depict confederates in an ACW Society makes me smile ruefully.

Myself, if I ever joined, would avoid WWII and the ACW altogether. Ancient era yep, Mediaeval up to and including WWI fine.

I wonder if anyone will ever attempt a Vietnam War era re-enactment theme. Now that would be gutsy!


This has been a good thread. ........So far.
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I wonder if anyone will ever attempt a Vietnam War era re-enactment theme. Now that would be gutsy!

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There are Vietnam re-enactors, I remember seeing some at the KM War and Peace show, they took it in turns to wear the black pajamas and coolie hats and/or the US gear. The group had a half-track with AA gun on the back and had set up a 'tunnel experience' for the kids to crawl around in.

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There are Vietnam re-enactors, I remember seeing some at the KM War and Peace show, they took it in turns to wear the black pajamas and coolie hats and/or the US gear. The group had a half-track with AA gun on the back and had set up a 'tunnel experience' for the kids to crawl around in.

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I have an edition of the (was) excellent Military Illustrated magazine where they had a 'live' reconstruction of a black M60 machine gunner during the 1968 Tet Offensive. It showed how he looked up to and including using his army issue green towel as a sweat cloth (I'll post the Pictures if anyones interested). The article also showed the rations and other personal equipment that was commonly carried ( Including Playboy magazines); nothing wrong with 'living' history.


Now that is all well and good imo, to be at an event and to see people in the uniform & equipment of the day and showing how things worked, the personal items etc, but when they start traipsing about a battlefield pretending to be those that actually were there (The Vietnam re-enactors have no chance of defiling 'their' battlefields), the self same place real soldiers were killed or wounded in their thousands, is beyond the pale.

I have been asked on many occasions and by many people to go to the 200 anniversary of the Battle of Waterloo next year (I had been invited to past anniversaries too), and I have told them straight that I just hate the whole sorry, nasty circus. I am going to visit the site next year for the first time but I am going alone in May and intend to walk the areas of Quatre Bras, Ligny, Genappe, Mont St Jean then Wavre; all the Better if the heavens open up as I leave Genappe. When I get to the field of Waterloo, the first thing I will do is reflect on what it must have been like on that terrible day, do my tour of the field, then before I leave I will reflect again and if I have tears in my eyes, all the better. I would much prefer sadness in reflection than to be there on the anniversary and be bloody angry.

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Venerable and majestic lodestar, he who dreams and yet does not sleep, prince of knowledge and sultan of wisdom

There are Vietnam re-enactors, I remember seeing some at the KM War and Peace show, they took it in turns to wear the black pajamas and coolie hats and/or the US gear. The group had a half-track with AA gun on the back and had set up a 'tunnel experience' for the kids to crawl around in.

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See!! .....this is a little more like it!

This 'unimportant' Selous bloke really gets it. No matter how many times I hear this kinda stuff it still warms my heart.

Think I'm gonna develop some slogans for students to chant when I get into assistant tutoring again.

Getting them to refer to themselves as 'snivelling and lowly' servants may be a good start.

Followed by some of my ACG taglines they can at times chant in unison.

Which do you think I should get them to chant in first semester?

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Be interested in your input, seriously about the suitability of reenactments as tute sub-theme subject on whether they are an example the 'commercialisation' and 'dumbing down' of history in general and military history in particular?
Look forward to hearing from you.

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Now that is all well and good imo, to be at an event and to see people in the uniform & equipment of the day and showing how things worked, the personal items
This has been most of my experience of witnessing such groups, and when I've seen the mock battles it hasn't been on the actual battlefields, but I do not doubt that does happen at all, I've seen pictures of the Normandy beaches with restored armoured vehicles and crews in period guise.

I've nothing wrong with re-enactors even showing, say, marching drill or firing with their muskets or rifles etc. section level tactics for the crowds, at an event like the KM War and Peace show.

But many battlefield sites are monuments and it doesn't come across as sensible or respectful to walk around monuments or reenact battles on them.
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Which do you think I should get them to chant in first semester?
When dealing with the lower orders, Oh Great One, the simpler the better; perhaps a chant along the lines of 'Lodestar; King among men' or your 'lodestar has spoken and a universe trembles."



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In my experience of leading and partaking of tutorials the best thing to do is heap as much responsibility on the students. It encourages initiative and means you have to do less. Setting out sub-themes may make it too rigid and structured for people to introduce new ideas, if they're adhered to too closely. If the discussion...'flows'...that way then of course discuss it but if it doesn't it may only be worth the briefest of exchanges from you and one or two students.

If you're keen to use it as a subject of discussion, then you may have to mention its positives of interesting people in history and making it 'accessible' to John public.
My field isn't quite the same and doesn't deal with the perception of history though so it's very much just a layman's opinion on whether to include or not _ I can see the value of it as an example for the discussion at large but wouldn't focus too much on it.
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Two points sir, firstly as far as modernised armour goes, there is nothing better than steel and leather for protecting your body against the terrific force that a lance could inflict. Fibreglass just wouldn't cut it.

Secondly, theatre is, was, and will always be a part of sport.

The only thing that cannot be faithfully reproduced for a 'modern jousting knight' who has the funding, is his horse. The medieval 'war horse' is extinct - hunters are lighter and dray horses are heavier.
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I think the reeenacting thing is a glorification of war. Anybody who wants to be an SS man is a moral imbecile.

And the image of a middle aged man with a beer gut pretending to be a US Paratrooper is laughably ridiculous.

Jousting? I'm with that. That's for real- you can actually get killed doing that. I'd pay to watch that.
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Jousting? I'm with that. That's for real- you can actually get killed doing that. I'd pay to watch that.
Love it, proper straight talking Aussie, I only go to the Speedway to watch the crashes!!!

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