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Old 23 Sep 14, 17:29
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I cannot read in the legend what the light green and yellow lines represent.

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They are lines to which troops and heavy weaponry must be removed to due to ceasefire agreeements
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Demilitarized zone according to the Minsk agreement.
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Ceasefire keeping for the most part...in the sense there's no changes in the maps...?
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Ceasefire keeping for the most part...in the sense there's no changes in the maps...?
For the most part. Essentially, the ceasefire helps Putin, who wishes to have things appear to have calmed down in order to prevent anymore sanctions, and it helps Poroshenko, whose military needs a respite. It also helps both Putin and the EU/NATO - neither of whom wish to see an escalation that may force either of them to raise the stakes under pressure from their respective constituencies and for the sake of saving face. On the other hand, the ceasefire runs counter to the interests of militants on both the DNR/LNR and the Ukrainian side - both of which seem eager to continue fighting. Hence, a modus vivendi would seem to have been established: small-scale actions, local operations, artillery shelling are allowed - major operations, such as capturing Mariupol or Donetsk are not. Nobody is going to get excited if Debaltsevo, Avdeevka or Pervomaisk are assaulted or captured. It will be a different story if it involves something major - like Mariupol, Lugansk or Gorlovka. IMHO
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That seems to be the case yes - a remarkable drole de guerre, whereby everybody stubbornly pretends there's a ceasefire even though the fight goes on.

Most peculiar - and it supports my longstanding suspicion that this entire mess is an accident de parcours rather than the execution of a master plan by either Putin/NATO/US/EU whatever.
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Most peculiar - and it supports my longstanding suspicion that this entire mess is an accident de parcours rather than the execution of a master plan by either Putin/NATO/US/EU whatever.
Nah, there probably was a plan that included violence (or didn't care if it happened as long as the goals were met). However, now the plan is either fulfilled or changed so that it doesn't include large scale violence anymore.
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Ceasefire keeping for the most part...in the sense there's no changes in the maps...?
Mostly the frontline is static. It's the only one result of the ceasefire, because shellings take part every day.
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