The Butchers Of The French Resistence

[clackers]

Originally Posted by asterix

This is indeed quite an accomplishment. IMO, you should be banned by the powers that be of this forum.

Shave the collaborator!

[Nickuru]

The SS wherever they were made a policy of executing anyone who opposed their policies and shipping off people who they regarded as Untermenschen to their concentration camps. Not all, for example Field Marshal Walter Model kept things under control in his areas. But the SS in general inspired so much hatred that the entire populations rose against the Nazis in almost every area they occupied.

[clackers]

Originally Posted by Nickuru

Not all, for example Field Marshal Walter Model kept things under control in his areas.

A wonderful general, like Manstein, but a war criminal, and one of the most Nazi of the Heer commanders.

[PGT Beauregard]

Originally Posted by Number 6

"resistence"

If your knowledge of French History is as bad as your knowledge of Spelling,(resistance is written with an A not with an E), no wonder why your posts are like

[Number 6]

This is an excerpt from the book that is causing a re-evaluation of the history of the resistance:

http://books.google.com/books?id=YOB...=0CDAQ6AEwADgK

[CarpeDiem]

Originally Posted by Number 6

This is an excerpt from the book that is causing a re-evaluation of the history of the resistance:

http://books.google.com/books?id=YOB...=0CDAQ6AEwADgK

Yes I noticed on googling the book that there was quite a lively discussion on Storm**ont started in 2010 on how this book perpetuates the myth of the French resistance. Interesting that this book came out in 1995 and over 15years later is generating such interest with a certain community.
Maybe it took them that long to read it?
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If I was a conspiracy theorist I'd be generating all sorts of interesting theories right now.

[dutched]

Originally Posted by Number 6

It is one of the ironies of our time that German citizens could travel to France for their paid by the government vacations, there were no fences or walls around Germany keeping German citizens in. Now we know, the "resistence" was a fabrication of Hollywood. Their big claim to fame was killing captured women held in brothels against their will.

It is actually harder for us to travel that it was for Germans in the 1930's and early 1940's.

Don't be mistaken No. 6, that is not chocolate between your teeth.

Ed.

[Number 6]

Hi dutched, nice to meet you. There is only one book I know of about tourism under national socialism, but if I have learned anything at this site it's that if there is another one I will soon know!

Quote:
Chapter 6 provides a glimpse into the very brief period wherein international tourists (1933 to 1939) were a significant part of the industry's income and an important focus of the Nazi propaganda effort. Until the war began, Germans were encouraged to travel outside of Germany as well, and the chapter provides a description of this effort and its political ramifications. Later, as the empire expanded, the domestic destination began to increase once more to include occupied lands and chapter 7 picks up where chapter 6 leaves off. It all came down to a primary political weapon that may even have backfired. The tourism bug was not to be denied as the war began to drain resources and manpower.

This chapter more than others, conveys the objective of the Nazi leisure travel arsenal since it describes what actually happened when the Nazis truly needed the support of the German populace. They propagandized so well that tourists crowded trains while wounded soldiers returning from the front had to stand on the trip home and endure rude civilians on holiday with no regard for their suffering--something that angered even the Gestapo. But as Goebbels said, "the entire Reich and Party Leadership were on vacation" (p. 176). The Nazis had done their job well. Consumerism rather than patriotism was a hallmark of Germany under Hitler and the right to travel, even with refugees streaming over the border, was not going to stop the leisure class from taking a nice holiday.

Perhaps the surprise of the book comes at its closing--that the German tourism industry, created by the Nazis to promote its Gleichschaltung, never died; though it might have become desolate, the spirit survived. Even as Germany lay in ruins, as soldiers streamed home without their weapons and the sickle and hammer symbol was raised over the eastern half, the Germans had become so enamored of traveling, they could be found among the rubble of the fallen empire sitting in cafes and sipping mysterious steaming brown liquid writing postcards home. By 1950 the entire industry had virtually rebuilt itself. By 1953, their clients were logging more nights away from home than at any time during the Third Reich.

Most interestingly, the new industry was rebuilt by the old guard who had come to power with Hitler, and they were rewriting the history from 1933 to postwar Germany with no mention of Hitler, the NSDAP, or the whole nightmare. No mention of Nazi ideology and no racial purges (the Jews were pushed out in 1933, and that competition was eliminated much to the joy of the folks who were writing the new histories). The postwar theme of touring in Germany was the same as it had been under Hitler--presenting the laundered version of Germany to the world outside".
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...6link_code=xm2

So the brown stuff between my teeth is chocolate!

[broderickwells]

Originally Posted by asterix

Ignoring your previous posts demonstrating your obvious lack at any historical research other than figments of your imaginations, including attempts at being taken seriously.....here is some food for thought:

Historian Jean Quellien, in conjunction with research compiled by Ahlrich Meyer (The German Occupation of France, 2002) and also studies by none other than famed Nazi hunters Beate Klarsfeld Foundation (Serge Klarsfeld), 1993, records research and intensive investigations of deportees to concentration camps, their latest in-depth studies concluded that approximately 75,000 individuals were sent to various concentration camps for "racial" and "undesirable" reasons - i.e. Jews, Gypsies, religious, Homosexuals, and etc. Of these approximately 2,500-3,000 survived.

What's more, a further 65,000-66,000 were deported to various concentration camps for other reasons including political and also activities deemed threatening to 3rd Reich interests. (Meyer places these figures as high as 85,000 - with some German records placing them even higher at 90,000) Of these figures, 42,000 were for Resistance activities....of this total ( of approximately 107-108,000 ) more than 2/3rd of them were murdered in the camps, or to put in another way, only around 23,000 survived. So...if the Resistance was faked, then pray tell, were the camps faked as well????

To conclude, by claiming that the Resistance was a "fabrication of Hollywood", you not only shown to all that 1 - you haven't the faintest clue what you're talking about... 2 - you've clearly revealed yourself to be a historical revisionist (and by extension anti-French for whatever reason...I don't care really)....but worst of all, 3 - in a rather self-implicating, round-about way, you've also managed to expose yourself as a Holocaust denier.

This is indeed quite an accomplishment. IMO, you should be banned by the powers that be of this forum.

No, no, not facts. You're confusing me with facts. My head hurts. Must lie down...

[dutched]

Originally Posted by Number 6

Hi dutched, nice to meet you. There is only one book I know of about tourism under national socialism, but if I have learned anything at this site it's that if there is another one I will soon know!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...6link_code=xm2

So the brown stuff between my teeth is chocolate!

Hi Number 6,

My riposte had little to do with the section on Nazi tourism, but with your cheap "Hollywood" and they were in it for the money remarks on the resistance.
That is not funny or true at all.
By all means have reasoned critique on some aspects of the resistance like the behaviour/deeds or workings of the various sections/factions and/or some of their members.
No, I do not have to get a book on the resistance to quote chapter and verse. Members of my family were in it.
I really wonder if you can get to grips with what it was like to live under Nazi rule, losing all the freedoms you emjoy as a modern US citizen take for granted.
Freedom of speech. Just for saying that "We have no boys at the Eastern Front", cost the Buromaster of town where I was born his life.
His successor lost his life as the Germans could not locate some of their number, that had gone missing. People were arrested, locked up, tortured and even could be put on transport to a camp in Germany just for listening to the wrong radio station. That without being a member of the resistance.
The risk you ran of being suspected of being a member of the resistance, I don't think I have to reitterate.

As far as the shaving of women by the mob went. Some were let off by intervention, as being just very minor offenders, courtesy of some in the resistance.

So in the words of Harry Callahan: "You mouthwash ain't cutting it."

Ed.