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The Japanese also used some Ki-27 Nates when they first attacked Burma. These were the ones with fixed landing gear.

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It does show some useful things though. The Japanese bomber formation is correct. It is the loose V of V's. The positioning of the escort is pretty much correct too, above and behind.

With decent pilots and tactics the Allies with the aircraft they had could have put serious hurt on the Japanese.
I thought the same of the video, positioning and formation as per text book example.
As for better pilots. This is a difficult one, we are talking about mostly about colonial areas here. To join the military air force as a pilot/navigator one had to have enjoyed a proper education. In the colonies this automatically equated to -paid for education-. You'd be looking for toffs with talent. The RAF training school bemoaned the fact that there was a lack of talent amongst volunteers from certain areas as I mentioned in a earlier post. A small blessing was that the Hurricanes arrived trained pilots.
For the rest the baptism of fire was a matter of sink or swim. A steep and harsh learning curve. On this score I am asking myself if the situation was not that different in good old England. -How many hours on Spitfires lad?-
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Instead of sending all those British/Indian volunteers and the Australians and New Zealanders to North Africa, they should have been sent to India and then the New Guinea/Solomons area. The Hurricanes did get cut up by the IJAAF.

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The Japanese also used some Ki-27 Nates when they first attacked Burma. These were the ones with fixed landing gear.

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The K-27 Nate was at that point already (corr.) being phased out in favour of the Ki-43.

Point of interest is that the Hayabusa of the early campaign was the Ki-43-I Hei, the one with the flimsier wings and the two bladed propeller.
The one Kato flies is a Ki-43-II Otsu, with a more powerful engine, strengthened wings with hardpoints and plumbings for droptanks/bombs.
It was not until Autumn (Fall) 1943 that the Hayabusa was properly assessed by RAAF and so giving up it's final secrets.

An other plane that made it's combat evaluation was the
Nakajima Ki-44 Shoki of the 3rd Section 47th Independent Air Company.

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The Japanese made use of German technology right from the beginning of the war but the problem for them was reproducing it. The DB 601 engine and Mauser MG 151 cannon were both copied for example but both required considerable precision machining and assembly; something Japan had in short supply.
For the IJAAF their first really potent fighter in service was the Ki 61 Tony. This used the DB 601 engine and had two Mauser 20mm cannon copies as part of the armament. It was something of a surprise for the Allied forces in the SWPA but never appeared in large numbers.
That airframe was very well designed and later when the shortage of DB 601 clone engines became critical it was fitted with a radial as the Ki 100 and turned out to be an even better fighter. Sort of the reverse of what Kurt Tank did with the Fw 190...
This was a very limited share of technology however, the real sharing didn't start until the end was near for Germany, which was too late.

Had the Germans helped the Japanese out with mordernizing their manufacturing equipment a lot earlier (they did much later), it would've been possible for the Japanese to produce vehicles & equipment closer to that which the Germans were themselves producing.
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The K-27 Nate was at that point already phased out in favour of the Ki-43.
The 77th and 50th Sentai still flew Ki-27 Nates over Burma in 1941-2. Nicholas Millman's book Ki-27 'Nate' Aces details many of their actions in the area at the time.

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On the morning of January 23 [1942], 24 Ki-27s from the 50th Sentai conducted a fighter sweep over the airfields at Rangoon, meeting Buffalos, Hawk 81-A-2s and three newly arrived Hurricanes of 17 Squadron RAF with their ferry tanks still attached. The Japanese claimed two "P-40s" destroyed and one probable plus one Buffalo and one 'Spitfire' destroyed, a second 'Spitfire' as a probable and an unidentified fighter destroyed. Allied losses were one Buffalo (W8239) shot down, killing ace Flt Lt D J C Pinckney and one Hurricane badly damaged. The 50th lost two Ki-27s with their pilots, Lt Minoru Niino and Sgt Maj Sadao Kimizuka being killed.
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The 77th and 50th Sentai still flew Ki-27 Nates over Burma in 1941-2. Nicholas Millman's book Ki-27 'Nate' Aces details many of their actions in the area at the time.

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At the beginning of the war there were still some fixed gear Fighters in the Naval Air Force and Army Air Force of Japan. I remember a passage in Saburo Sakai's book about his wing arriving at Lae and finding Claudes! He went on to say the field was hit by Bombers and they were given Zero fighters.

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At the beginning of the war there were still some fixed gear Fighters in the Naval Air Force and Army Air Force of Japan. I remember a passage in Saburo Sakai's book about his wing arriving at Lae and finding Claudes! He went on to say the field was hit by Bombers and they were given Zero fighters.

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Millman's book also details Ki-27s taking on B-29s at the end of the war. They managed to knock down two at least in ramming attacks as their guns made no impression on the bombers. Acts of desperation indeed
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Instead of sending all those British/Indian volunteers and the Australians and New Zealanders to North Africa, they should have been sent to India and then the New Guinea/Solomons area. The Hurricanes did get cut up by the IJAAF.

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The Hurricanes arriving in 2-3s at a time and then getting engaged almost immediately was part of the problem.
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The 77th and 50th Sentai still flew Ki-27 Nates over Burma in 1941-2. Nicholas Millman's book Ki-27 'Nate' Aces details many of their actions in the area at the time.

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I think there were a couple other units flying Nates (over Burma, 'CBI') as well. At least in early '42 (first few months anyway). It was taking a while for the Ki-27 units to get replaced with Ki-43 ones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperia...Army_Air_Force
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakajima_Ki-27

The "Flying Tiger" thread;
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...d.php?t=123659
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The war in SEA didn't start until almost the end of 1941. I don't know whether the RAF had any BoB pilots 'resting' there, it is possible. Of course the aircraft they had to fly were antiques.

Despite that three years later the British Army was disbanding LAA units in Burma because the Japanese air force had disappeared from the skys. This would indicate superior pilots and aircraft were available 1942-44.
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Or the Japanese were running out of aircraft and good pilots? The UK and North Africa were still getting the best pilots and Aircraft.

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I think there were a couple other units flying Nates (over Burma, 'CBI') as well. At least in early '42 (first few months anyway). It was taking a while for the Ki-27 units to get replaced with Ki-43 ones.
You are correct. According to Richard Bueschel, elements of 1 Sentai, 11 Sentai, 21 Sentai and 204 Sentai in addition to 50 and 77 Sentai all flew Ki 27s over Burma at one time or another.
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