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Mediocre intellect and lucky. His luck ran out at Little Big Horn.

A good Indian fighter like Crook would have maintained contact and waited for reinforcements to finish the war rather than charge in on a very bad plan with minimal knowledge of the enemy.


You mean Crook whom got caught unprepared just a week earlier at the Rosebud, He left his men out of formation and had his entire column of 1100 infantry stopped dead. He did not make his men prepare camp defenses, did not camp on ground his scouts wanted him to. Let hundreds of Indians get right up his butt before they attacks. The only reason he survived was because of the fighting of his scouts, holding back the initial shock, while his men were running around with their heads cut off. He was only saved because the 2nd Calvary that was already out that morning, got word and came back, forcing Crazy horse to fall back.

And worse gave up the fight, and headed home with just 30 casualties, how does 30 casualties make you turn an entire force around. He never even sent his Calvary to the Bighorn making sure that the back door was left open, And the entire campaign. He word of his defeat before he did so. Ya he was a great commander. You do know the Indians ultimately still escaped because Crook would not where he was suppose to be. When the Indians ultimately broke camp when they saw Terry and Gibbons columns coming they walked write out the back door, Terry never pushed to. He didn't even send his cavalry to aid the other columns. He just wanted to go home LOL.

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Also, the Seventh was NOT a well trained Regiment. AT least 40 % were recruits and had only rudimentary training, some didn't have any.

Wrong again they were drilled, drilled, and drilled again when they were actually assigned to the 7th. Hence why they hated Custer so much. No they were not the veteran forces of the old,war , heck the army had a 35% desertion rate at that time, But they were still far superior to the 2nd Calvery which under Brisben was completely unfit for duty. For instance Custer made soldiers whom let their horses develop blisters from lose saddles lead their horses until the horse was healed. Reprimands and fines were made for, untrimmed hooves, lose shawned horses.

He drilled them and drilled them, on rigging, packing, cleaning, how to leave low dust trails, read terrain, navigate maintain concealment While the other units of the time were busy get absolutely shitfaced in the undisciplined army of the time, the 7th was out training, which is another reason why well noted drunks like Reno, and Benteen hated him so much.
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What does a hill near Jerusalem have to do with Custer? Maybe someone has seen that famous bumper sticker from the Reservations saying: "Custer Died For Your Sins"?

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Cause I have this thing called a sense of humor. I also have the intellect to get sarcasm. I also don't take anything on a informal discussion site to actually become upset. I come here to debate, and might I say, Winning!
Winning would mean you are convincing more people of the superiority of your position. You are not winning.
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Winning would mean you are convincing more people of the superiority of your position. You are not winning.
Well, if winning means he's changing my opinion of Custer, then I guess so.

Problem is, before this thread I thought that Custer was a bit too cocky for his own good. Oh and that Reno and Benteen weren't there when he needed them.

After doing more research on the battle, spurred by FBF, I now think that Custer was a complete moron, in the tactical sense, only masked by his unbridled aggressiveness. But when it was his plan rather than someone else's at play it failed miserably on all counts. Custer committed every major sin a commander could do. Divided his forces. Divided his objectives (sending Benteen around to the South for questionable purpose). Did not make and/or ignored intelligence. Completely ignored.....nay purposefully neglected logistics until it was far too late. Created a plan that was predicated on the enemy reacting in a very particular way. Outran his other efforts so badly that he could not support them or be supported. Handed an unbroken enemy interior lines and the central position on a silver platter.
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Wrong again they were drilled, drilled, and drilled again when they were actually assigned to the 7th. Hence why they hated Custer so much. No they were not the veteran forces of the old,war , heck the army had a 35% desertion rate at that time, But they were still far superior to the 2nd Calvery which under Brisben was completely unfit for duty. For instance Custer made soldiers whom let their horses develop blisters from lose saddles lead their horses until the horse was healed. Reprimands and fines were made for, untrimmed hooves, lose shawned horses.

He drilled them and drilled them, on rigging, packing, cleaning, how to leave low dust trails, read terrain, navigate maintain concealment While the other units of the time were busy get absolutely shitfaced in the undisciplined army of the time, the 7th was out training, which is another reason why well noted drunks like Reno, and Benteen hated him so much.
Simple question for you? Source?

Here's one for you:

From American Army Life by John Elting, page 162, 'It is ironic that so much detailed information is readily available on the 7th, which never was a first-class combat outfit like the 5th or 6th, let alone Ranald Mackenzie's 4th Cavalry.'

The description of Custer himself is interesting: 'Very brave, tireless, an expert showman, spectacrularly lucky, Custer had been the 'goat' (lowest man) in the West Point class of June 1861. in 1863, at age twenty-three, he was jumped directly from first lieutenant to brigadier general of Volunteers and fought his way up to major general. He had much ambition and few scruples, but lacked the steadiness of character to command a regiment.'

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'It is ironic that so much detailed information is readily available on the 7th, which never was a first-class combat outfit like the 5th or 6th, let alone Ranald Mackenzie's 4th Cavalry.'
Mackenzie and the 4th!
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Winning would mean you are convincing more people of the superiority of your position. You are not winning.
Probably more like the Charlie Sheen idea of 'winning' .
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Simple question for you? Source?

Here's one for you:

From American Army Life by John Elting, page 162, 'It is ironic that so much detailed information is readily available on the 7th, which never was a first-class combat outfit like the 5th or 6th, let alone Ranald Mackenzie's 4th Cavalry.'

The description of Custer himself is interesting: 'Very brave, tireless, an expert showman, spectacrularly lucky, Custer had been the 'goat' (lowest man) in the West Point class of June 1861. in 1863, at age twenty-three, he was jumped directly from first lieutenant to brigadier general of Volunteers and fought his way up to major general. He had much ambition and few scruples, but lacked the steadiness of character to command a regiment.'

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One thing about Custer, if his nose was any browner, it would be a pecan. He was always somebody's protegee.
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One thing about Custer, if his nose was any browner, it would be a pecan. He was always somebody's protegee.

The nose in question was undoubtedly broken multiple times.

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Wrong again they were drilled, drilled, and drilled again when they were actually assigned to the 7th. Hence why they hated Custer so much. No they were not the veteran forces of the old,war , heck the army had a 35% desertion rate at that time, But they were still far superior to the 2nd Calvery which under Brisben was completely unfit for duty. For instance Custer made soldiers whom let their horses develop blisters from lose saddles lead their horses until the horse was healed. Reprimands and fines were made for, untrimmed hooves, lose shawned horses.

He drilled them and drilled them, on rigging, packing, cleaning, how to leave low dust trails, read terrain, navigate maintain concealment While the other units of the time were busy get absolutely shitfaced in the undisciplined army of the time, the 7th was out training, which is another reason why well noted drunks like Reno, and Benteen hated him so much.
You might want to watch 'They Died With Their Boots On' with Errol Flynn about Custer this weekend on Turner Classic Movies. A very inaccurate interpretation of Custer but you might want to take a look as it is much more accurate than your postings here.

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Calvary? Calvery?
It's called a symptom Dyslexia, but nice way to pick on something inconsequential to avoid lack of disputable knowledge, but yet leave yourself a feeling of self approval.

Maybe you should critique you would have more fun, on analgrammatical.com
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I don't know what you're talking about. The point of the thread is Custer's ability as an independent commander...
This thread opened asking nothing more than a choice of Great or Greatest.
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