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More Al Jazeera updates:

4:50pm

The international military intervention in Libya is likely to last “a while,” a top French official said on Monday, echoing Moammar Gadhafi's warning of a long war ahead.

4:54pm

Germany on Monday defended its decision not to back Western-led air strikes against Gaddafi, but backed EU in tightening sanctions against the Libyan government, Reuters reported.

4:58pm

The UN Security Council will probably hold a close door meeting on Libya later on Monday, a diplomat said.

5:02pm

The leader of Al-Qaeda's North Africa branch has urged Libyan rebels not to trust America and the US role in the international coalition bombing Muammar Gaddafi's forces.

5:15pm

Adel Abdelhafidh Ghoka, the Libyan National Council official, held a press briefing. He says the situation in Misurata is critical as there is no water, fuel or electricity.

Ghoka said sleeping cells in Benghazi have been given till tomorrow afternoon to hand themselves over. They will be given amnesty, if not they will face the rebels and will be treated as enemy of the revolution.

He says there is also an uprising in Tripoli but that media black out there and suppression is making things hard.

5:30pm

French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe on Monday dubbed the alliance campaign in Libya a "success," saying intervention had saved the people of Benghazi from "a bloodbath."

5:36pm

The Arab League got back behind international military strikes against Libya on Monday after comments by its leader had indicated divisions over the campaign against Muammar Gaddafi.

5:47pm

Italy's interior minister says some 200 Libyans have arrived by boat in Sicily in the first major influx of Libyan immigrants since the revolt began in the North African country over a month ago.

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5:48pm

NATO is ready to support the international coalition intervening in Libya within "a few days," Alain Juppe, the French Foreign Minister, said on Monday.

5:48pm

Angela Merkel, the German Chancellor, said on Monday she was in favour of a Libyan oil embargo.

5:50pm

UK prime minister David Cameron says coalition efforts have helped avert a massacre in Libya.

5:52pm

The six fighter jets Norway promised to the international air campaign to protect civilians in Libya took off on Monday from the Bodoe airbase in the north of the country, television images showed.

5:53pm

Sharp divisions prevented NATO from adopting a plan on Monday for military airstrikes against Libya, as Turkish opposition blocked the alliance from approving a strategy.

5:54pm

Dmitry Medvedev, the Russian president, has slammed prime minister Vladimir Putin's comments on military action against Libya as "unacceptable", in the most public clash yet between Russia's ruling tandem.

Putin earlier Monday denounced the UN resolution allowing military action on Libya as resembling a "medieval call to crusade", in one of his most virulent diatribes against the West in years.

6:15pm

Libyan rebel envoy has told Associated Press news agency they do not want Muammar Gaddafi killed. After his ouster they would like him to stand trial.

6:30pm

The United Arab Emirates said on Monday that its involvement in Libya is limited to humanitarian assistance, after reports that it would send warplanes to patrol a UN-backed no-fly zone.

6:38pm

There seems to be some divisions globally on Libya military intervention. Earlier, Russian PM criticised the airstrikes and now Bulgarian prime minister has denounced the airstrikes, saying missions lacks clear goals.

India has urged an immediate halt to the strikes spearheaded by French fighter jets on Saturday, while Germany said it had "good reasons" for abstaining from Thursday's UN Security Council vote on the resolution allowing the action.

The three countries as well as Brazil and China abstained from the vote, which was backed by 10 nations, that allowed use of "all necessary measures" to shield Libyan civilians from a brutal crackdown by Gaddafi forces on a popular revolt.

6:43pm

Meanwhile, around 200 demonstrators staged a protest near the London residence of British Prime Minister David Cameron on Monday against military action in Libya.
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Yemen will be the next hot spot to take the limelight.

A little blurb from Stratfor:

Saleh cannot rely on the support of all of his relatives. The biggest threat to Saleh within the military apparatus comes from Brig. Gen. Ali Mohsen al-Ahmar, Saleh’s half brother, commander of the first armored brigade and commander of the northwestern military zone. Mohsen is an influential member of Yemen’s old guard and initiated a fresh wave of defections when he announced March 21 that he is joining the people’s revolution and deployed an armored formation to protect the protesters. Armored vehicles under Mohsen’s command are now reportedly surrounding the presidential palace, where Republican Guard units under the command of Saleh’s son, Ahmed, have already taken up defensive positions. The potential for clashes between pro and now anti-Saleh security forces is escalating.

46 people were known to have been killed Friday / Saturday - no telling how many were really killed -- this thing is coming to a head very soon !

Saudi's are getting worried more everyday -- look for the news focus to shift shortly.

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Yemen will be the next hot spot to take the limelight.

A little blurb from Stratfor:

Saleh cannot rely on the support of all of his relatives. The biggest threat to Saleh within the military apparatus comes from Brig. Gen. Ali Mohsen al-Ahmar, Saleh’s half brother, commander of the first armored brigade and commander of the northwestern military zone. Mohsen is an influential member of Yemen’s old guard and initiated a fresh wave of defections when he announced March 21 that he is joining the people’s revolution and deployed an armored formation to protect the protesters. Armored vehicles under Mohsen’s command are now reportedly surrounding the presidential palace, where Republican Guard units under the command of Saleh’s son, Ahmed, have already taken up defensive positions. The potential for clashes between pro and now anti-Saleh security forces is escalating.

46 people were known to have been killed Friday / Saturday - no telling how many were really killed -- this thing is coming to a head very soon !

Saudi's are getting worried more everyday -- look for the news focus to shift shortly.

Not good news for the (so-called) GWOT. Even the unpopular Saleh regime is better for anti-Al Qaeda efforts than anything likely to follow his overthrow.

Just watching massive AAA going up around Tripoli now. Why do they appear to 'snake' into the night sky instead of following a straight line?


Latest from Al Jazeera:

6:59pm

No mission to support Libyan opposition ground offensive, says US general.

The US military knows little about the whereabouts of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi after waves of air and missile
strikes in the country, a top US general said on Monday.

7:20pm

The UN-approved no-fly zone over Libya is expanding and will soon cover a 1,000-km area as aircraft from additional coalition countries arrive in the region, the head of US Africa Command said on Monday.

Carter Ham, the US Army General, told a Pentagon briefing that coalition air forces were continuing to fly missions to sustain the no-fly zone and that Libyan ground forces were moving south from rebel-held areas.

7:40pm

Forces loyal to Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi "pulled back" from the rebel stronghold of Benghazi and two other towns after UN-authorised airstrikes, a US national security official said on Monday.

The official, who declined to be identified, said advances by Gaddafi's forces against Benghazi, Ajdabiya and Misrata had "stalled" as a consequence of the military action by US and European forces that began on Saturday.

8:25pm

The United States will soon reduce its participation in the coalition operation in Libya, Russia's Interfax news agency cited US Defence Secretary Robert Gates as saying on Monday.

Gates also said it would be a mistake for the coalition to set for itself the goal of killing Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, the news agency reported.

8:26pm

British Prime Minister David Cameron said on Monday there was no legal authority for regime change in Libya despite suggestions by ministers that air strikes could target Muammar Gaddafi.

"Our view is clear - there is no decent future for Libya with Colonel Gaddafi remaining in power," Cameron told the House of Commons during its first debate since international forces launched air and sea strikes in Libya.

8:34pm

NATO could soon take a planning role in international military operations in Libya now being led by the United States, French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe said.

Juppe said France hoped Muammar Gaddafi's Libyan government would collapse from within from the pressure of the action by world powers to enforce a U.N. Security Council resolution to halt attacks on rebels that are killing civilians.

"Today the United States is coordinating the interventions in close coordination with France and Britain. In a few days, if the United States pulls back from the operation, NATO is ready to come in with its support," Juppe said.
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OK -- now we agree - but I would change the working slightly in order to maintain "PC" -- which I am so in favor of to begin with

How about "Besides, everybody knows we *are* run by the totally inept" instead

Hey, we all have to be PC. We can't run around insulting monkeys, you know...
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Now this is somewhat good news. It means that Al Qaeda has little influence among the rebels if they are making such public statements. It is what we don't hear about that we have to worry about.
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The UN has turned down Libya's request for an emergency Security Council meeting.

Al Jazeera latest:

8:37pm

Human Rights body Amnesty International has called on the Libyan authorities to release four Al Jazeera journalists held incommunicado since they were detained two weeks ago.

8:53pm

Italy warns that it will review the use of its bases by coalition forces for strikes against Libya if the mission doesn't pass to NATO's command.

9:10pm

Barack Obama, the US president, says he wants to see Muammar Gaddafi step down from power in Libya but that US military action is limited to protecting civilians and preventing a humanitarian crisis from taking place.

Obama says Gaddafi has been very clear about showing "no mercy" to those who opposed him.

9:20pm

Obama says the United States expects to transfer the lead military role in Libya to other allies in a matter of days.

NATO will be involved in helping to coordinate the next phase of action in Libya, the US president said.

9:38pm

Loud explosions and barrages of anti-aircraft fire were heard near the Tripoli compound of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi on Monday night, an AFP correspondent said.

The volleys erupted at around 1900GMT near the Bab el-Aziziya barracks in the south of Tripoli, the correspondent said.

10:00pm

Mussa Ibrahim, a Libyan government spokesman, has said foreign attacks had killed many people by bombing ports and Sirte airport.

Ibrahim told a news conference:

"You saw that place (Sirte airport). It's a civilian airport. It was bombarded and many people were killed. Harbours were also bombarded."
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I don't care about Khadaffi and the Libyan people :I only care about the oil price(as do the average people in the West,who will have to pay the bills of the stupid actions of these stupid politicians) .
If you want to get rid of Khadafi,send the CIA (they have a lot of experience),if this is impossible (because of the PC BS),ask Medvedev to send the KGB (it have taken an other name :Federal Security Service ?)
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Now this is somewhat good news. It means that Al Qaeda has little influence among the rebels if they are making such public statements. It is what we don't hear about that we have to worry about.
Or it means that the rebels are not really centrally organized and some follow Al Qaeda while others dont. In that case the message would be for those that dont. The doubly bad part of that would be that the rebels are... just some rag-tag coalition without control or command... meaning a mob.
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The Libyan Deputy Foreign Minister is speaking, saying that they have asked for international observers to be sent from several named countries, including Germany and China, to ensure the ceasefire is being observed.
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Interesting.

Anyone around here know how to spell "hostages"?
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Where were they flying to dip shiiit. It's in a NFZ.
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Hmmm.

Interesting.

Anyone around here know how to spell "hostages"?
I seriously doubt that well happen. Those country's are sitting on the fence doing little other than opening their mouths with nobody listening to them. K Daffy takes them hostage then he would be in even deeper shhhit. Hell the BW might have to move in and open up a beer garden.
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Mixing "idiots" and "government" in the same sentence, all right? Now that I re-read it I realize it's not addressed to US politics, so fine, I retract my recommendation.
No, you are right about that. It is addressed at all the leaders of the intervention that are saying this. David Cameron being the most recent. So, between Italy, the US, France, and the UK we have more or less covered the complete range from left to right and they are all proving to make idiotic statements that are not based in logic and common sense.

At least Al Quaeda's statement made sense
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Or it means that the rebels are not really centrally organized and some follow Al Qaeda while others dont. In that case the message would be for those that dont. The doubly bad part of that would be that the rebels are... just some rag-tag coalition without control or command... meaning a mob.
You think they aren't?

I think they are in fact a mob, like in most revolutions. What worries me are the handful of well organized groups that are waiting to fill the power vacuum after the mob has done its bit. Many a good dictatorship was built that way.
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Hmmm.

Interesting.

Anyone around here know how to spell "hostages"?
They are already using the locals in Tripoli for that, as well as reporters.
I guess they will continue to use that tactic until we wise-up.

And Khaddafi's troops have already started to take their uniforms off and begun to transform themselves into "insurgents".

Just let them slaughter each other, as is the pastime in most 3rd-world countries these days. They will only hate us and anyone else that tries to stop them.
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Originally Posted by Half Pint John View Post
I seriously doubt that well happen. Those country's are sitting on the fence doing little other than opening their mouths with nobody listening to them. K Daffy takes them hostage then he would be in even deeper shhhit. Hell the BW might have to move in and open up a beer garden.
Even if we would send some and he would take them hostage, we'd not lead the world in a boots on the grounds invasion into libya in righteous fury to cleanse the evil-doers... Angela is much too sane to do that. Thank God.
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