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Thanks -- thoughtI might have messed it up in posting.
I'm puzzled as to why I can't find USS Mt. Whitney on that map, since that is apparently where the current operation is being co-ordinated from.

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I'm puzzled as to why I can't find USS Mt. Whitney on that map, since that is apparently where the current operation is being co-ordinated from.

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Probably the Pentagon did not provide its location. Open source intelligence rarely follows non-warship movements. At least until it is too late.
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I looked up USS Mount Whitney on four different US Navy websites and not of them would load. Has the Navy taken its sites offline?

This is from Wiki:

The USS Mount Whitney (LCC/JCC 20) is a Blue Ridge class command ship of the US Navy; it is the flagship of the Sixth Fleet. She is also the command and control ship for the Commander Joint Command Lisbon and the Commander Striking Force NATO.



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I looked up USS Mount Whitney on four different US Navy websites and not of them would load. Has the Navy taken its sites offline?
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The Navy.mil site is up.
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In the Vice-Admiral's press briefing, a reporter asked a question about if attacks were being carried out against Gadhaffi's top echelon and command and control. He replied that attacks were only against air defense assets.

So why not try and take out Gadhaffi and his top people? Didn't we try to do that in Iraq? It was called a 'decapitation attempt' if I remember correctly.

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Vice Admiral William Gortney, the Director of the US Joint Staff, just completed his briefing. He said that US is "the leading edge" of coalition military operations on Libya, which are aimed at preventing further attacks on civilian and opposition targets and also at degrading the Libyan ability to violate a no-fly zone, both as authorised under UN Resolution 1973.

He said that the US had struck more than 20 air defence system targets, mostly on Libya's west coast, including communications and SA-5 (surface-to-air) missile sites, as well as the C-2 architecture that goes with those long range missile sites.

About 110-112 Tomahawk missiles were used during the operation, which was critical to creating conditions to be able to set up a no-fly zone.

He said that US military aircraft were not currently in Libyan air space in this phase of operations, and that the US was using its "unique capabilities to shape the battlespace" before handing over command of operations to other coalition leaders.

Currently, officers with coalition partners are aboard the USS Mount Whitney, from where military operations are being commanded.

He also said that further action will depend on a bomb damage assessment, adding that this could not be done using US Reaper or Predator drones, as they were not being deployed. He anticipated that this would take 6-12 hours.

10:46pm

AFP reports that Libyan state television reports that a French aircraft has been shot down over Libya. There is no independent confirmation of this claim yet.
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He's very hard to find.
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He's very hard to find.
Well, he's about to appear live on Libyan state TV. Even if we took out a whole city block in his general area, it would cause fewer casualties in the long run since the war would be over once the decapitation is achieved.

Or is assassination of leaders still illegal under international law? If so, it shouldn't be. Better to take out a few dozen old guys at the top than thousands of young men just beginning their adult lives.


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Al Jazeera latest:

10:55pm

Quotes from Mohammad al-Zawi, the secretary-general of the Libyan Public Congress (Parliament)

I am very sorry and saddened that my country tonight is facing a barbaric and armed attack. Some Western countries are leading a rocket attack in Tripoli and Misurata. An attack that caused some real harm against civilians and buildings.

"This barbaric aggression against the Libyan ppl comes while we have announced the ceasefire against the armed militias which are prt of Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb.

"And the attack comes as Libya has announced general and major developments and reforms in the economic and organisational contexts.

"The number of civilians who have been hurt or harmed by this aggression tonight, the number is filling up our hositals, and ambulances are doing their best to save as many lives of civilians as possible.

"This aggression is barbaric and that has no excuse since Libya has already accepted the resolutions of the security council and announced and the armed forces announced a ceasefire and stopped all military operations against the armed militias.

"Furthermore, Libya has requested the presence of international observers on the ground to judge that we did really stop our military operations.

"And instead of sending fact-finding missions to find out what is really happening, some countries have elected for an aggression against Libya.This aggression will not weaken our spirit, and will not convince Libyans to give up to the armed militias who are part of al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb.

"And what you have seen of the masses gathering in different locations to protect them, declaring their allegiance to the leader of the country, is the proof that the Libyan people will not be defeated."

11:06pm

Four Al Jazeera journalists have been detained by Libyan authorities in the west of the country.

Lotfi al-Messaoudi (a Tunisian), Ahmed Vall Ould Addin (a Mauritanian), Ammar al-Hamdan (a Norwegian cameraman) and Kamel Atalua (British) were held while working in the west of the country.

Al Jazeera says that the Libyan authorities will be held accountable for the safety, security and well-being of the team, who are being held in Tripoli.
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How can you accurately report if there is fighting if Gaddafi is arresting and beating up journalists?

How can you send observers in, when its clear from the air that they would not be safe to begin with?

How can Gaddafi's followers blame the current aggression on the UN, when Gaddafi had many chances to heed the warnings to stop violence and to let foreign observers do their job unimpeded.

If Gaddafi is the saint he claims, why arrest journalists and restrict their movement?

I'll bet that Gaddafi is doing his best to suppress any more information about his oppression getting out. The more his country falls to ruin, the more drastic and ruthless he will get.

Seems that Gaddafi's propaganda is still getting out and is as strong as ever. I just hope that the UN planes don't miss their targets.
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Latest from Al Jazeera, icluding the Pentagon briefing on the US Cruise missile launches and objectives.


11:14pm

Libyan state media reports that air strikes have taken place in Zuwara, Tripoli, Misurata, Sirte and Benghazi.

11:25pm

Reuters reports that residents of Misurata say that air strikes in that city have targetted an air base where pro-Gaddafi forces are located.

11:35pm

A French officials tells AFP that air strikes by the United States, Britain and France on Libyan territory are being coordinated at a US airbase in Germany.

11:43pm

Here's that briefing by Vice-Admiral William Gortney, outlining US military operations in Libya.






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12:04am

Gaddafi calls on Africans, Arabs, Latin Americans and Asians to stand by Libyans, Reuters reports.

12:05am

Muammar Gaddafi threatened to attack both military and civilian targets in the Mediterranean in retaliation against air and sea strikes on Libyan air defences, AFP reports.

12:14am

Earlier today, as international air strikes became imminent, supporters of Muammar Gaddafi gathered at several locations to act as human shields. Aisha Gaddafi, his daughter, is seen here outside the Bab al-Aziziyah palace, Gaddafi's residence in Tripoli. [Picture: Reuters]



12:18am

AFP reports that the United Arab Emirates will be contributing 24 fighter jets (Mirage 2000-9s and F-16s) and Qatar will contribute between four and six Mirage 2000-5s, citing a French official.
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Gaddafi also goes on to invite international observers. Any plans towards this? Or is this a trick?
I'm sure getting his hands on some hostages would be quite beneficial to Qaddafi.

Definitely a sleazy trick.
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The French revealing the involvement of the UAE and Qatar -- perhaps they're getting sick of these nations waffling around with announcing their intentions.
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How can you accurately report if there is fighting if Gaddafi is arresting and beating up journalists?
Hi, do you know something we don't? Where'd you hear he beat those journalists?


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How can you send observers in, when its clear from the air that they would not be safe to begin with?
What about "peacekeepers"?


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How can Gaddafi's followers blame the current aggression on the UN, when Gaddafi had many chances to heed the warnings to stop violence and to let foreign observers do their job unimpeded.
Not when the warning was for him to vacate the other cities. If it was a status quo ceasefire, maybe there'd've been a chance for it.


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If Gaddafi is the saint he claims, why arrest journalists and restrict their movement?
It's only reported lately that he's arrested these journalists. Did he arrest other al-jazeera journalists before? Do we have any idea why they were arrested in the first place?


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I'll bet that Gaddafi is doing his best to suppress any more information about his oppression getting out. The more his country falls to ruin, the more drastic and ruthless he will get.
What oppression were the media reporting on before al-jazeera reporters got arrested?


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Seems that Gaddafi's propaganda is still getting out and is as strong as ever. I just hope that the UN planes don't miss their targets
There are no UN planes.
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