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If Gadhaffi's forces have indeed captured the oil city of Brega, they will now be able to cut off electricity to the rebel's stronghold of Benghazi where the final battle of this conflict is likely to take place. It's a very big city, and I expect the rebels have fortified it well, hoping to hold off Gadhaffi's forces long enough for someone to come and help them from outside.

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The AFP news agency has reported that the Libyan armed forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi have cleared "armed gangs" from the oil-rich town of Brega in the east, an army source told state television on Sunday.

"Brega has been cleansed of armed gangs," the military source was quoted as saying. The report could not immediately be verified. State television has in the past issued false reports claiming territory.

01:51am

Chuck Schumer, a US democratic senator, has said that imposing a no fly zone on Libya "is more likely" because the Arab League supports the move.

2:34am

Reuters news agency has reported that government troops advancing east along the coast road took Brega early on Sunday in what looked like an increasingly confident drive towards the rebel stronghold of Benghazi.

But the rebels, said they had re-taken Brega on Sunday night. There was no way of verifying the rival claims.

3:15am

Al Jazeera's Tony Birtley reports on the battle for Libya from the rebel stronghold, Benghazi.


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hoping to hold off Gadhaffi's forces long enough for someone to come and help them from outside.
I think we can forget about that help from outside. After the Japan quake the Libyan crisis is also relegated in the news ... sad.
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I think we can forget about that help from outside. After the Japan quake the Libyan crisis is also relegated in the news ... sad.
The timing couldn't be worse for the Libyan anti-Qaddafi forces
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Well I'm still following the Libyan crisis as well as the disasters in Japan, but then I'm retired and so have the time. Latest from Al Jazeera:

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The Reuters news agency reports that France was stepping up efforts on Monday to persuade world powers to impose a no-fly zone over Libya, as Muammar Gaddafi's troops battled rebel fighters for control of the strategic oil town of Brega.

France said it would consult other powers "in the coming hours" to try to set up such a zone to assure the protection of civilians "in the face of the terrible violence suffered by the Libyan population".

The Arab League's weekend call on the United Nations to impose such a zone satisfies one of three conditions set by NATO for it to police Libyan air space.

The others were proof that its help was needed, and a UN Security Council resolution.
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Reports say that rebels have recaptured the oil town of Brega - they say 25 government soldiers were killed and 20 more captured.
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Analysts say that by the time the international community agrees on a response to Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's onslaught against a popular revolt, it could all be over.

No UN Security Council meeting has yet been scheduled, despite events racing in Libya.

"The international community is dragging its feet," Saad Djebbar, a London lawyer and expert on Libyan affairs, told the Reuters news agency.

"The diplomatic pace is very slow. There is an urgency to act quickly before those people are finished off by Gaddafi's forces."

"The international community has to act now - not only to protect Benghazi from an onslaught but because of what it means for the rest of the world if Gaddafi is allowed to remain the leader of Libya," said Geoff Porter, a US-based political risk consultant who specialises in North Africa.
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The Associated Press reports that thousands of African and Asian migrant workers who are fleeing Libya after years of toil are going home with empty pockets and many vow never to return.

For the most vulnerable Asian and African migrant workers - those who didn't have the backing of their government or a foreign company or were in Libya illegally - the hasty departure marks the end of a bitter chapter in their lives.

Many Bangladeshis at the camp said they incurred debt to go to Libya, paying on average $5,000 to a local broker for the plane ticket and visa.

Now, some said, they don't know how to pay it back.
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Al Jazeera's Tony Birtley reports from Benghazi that, "It is very hard to get a handle on what is actually going on but we understand that rebels have taken back Brega after fierce fighting over the last 48 hours.

"And there is fierce fighting 300kms outside Benghazi.

"This is a rumour capital, it is hard to understand what is really going on but we know that the interim council is very much looking to international community for help."
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Hamed Al Hassi, a spokesperson of the Feb 17th revolution in Libya, told Al Jazeera how rebel forces attacked Gaddafi forces last evening.


“At 8:30 pm, the chief of operations on the front gave orders to siege and surround them (the pro Gaddafi forces).

"We took 20 people hostage and killed 25 people. We also captured and destroyed many of their weaponry and machinery.

"There are now small groups dispersed in the areas West of Brega.”
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There are also reports of heavy shelling in Ajdabiya.
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Reports say that today's air strikes on Ajdabiya hit part of a hospital and military camp.

No causalities have been reported. And local residents are refusing to leave the town.
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Arish Saeed, a journalist from Brega told Al Jazeera that many families who fled Brega and nearby towns fearing the ongoing confrontations, are now living in makeshift tents in the desert in nearby areas.

Reports say that these tents are very primitive and that there is a lack of basic supplies, food, and medicine.
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A Bangladeshi refugee walking between tents in the Choucha refugee camp near the Tunisia border town of Ras Jadir. Thousands have fled war-torn Libya for neighbouring Egypt and Tunisia.


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More from AL Jazeera:

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11:03am

Major General, Omar Al Hariri, the military chief of the interim national council told Al Jazeera how his forces were able to take Brega back last evening.

"Today, the armed forces and the revolutionary youth have reorganised and maneuvered the Gaddafi forces, which are weak because they are not fighting for a cause.

"Most of the Gaddafi forces are mercenaries, who are fighting for money. Therefore, they were very weak and the revolutionary forces were able to kill and capture so many of them.

"The revolutionary forces were then able to enter Brega and to push Gaddafi forces to outside of Brega and Aqaila. They are now taking fortified defensive positions in Aqaila."
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Interfax news agency reports that Dmitry Medvedev, Russian president has banned Muammar Gaddafi and his family from Russia.

Reports say that Medvedev also said that Gaddafi and his family are banned from carrying out financial operations in Russia.
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The Reuters news agency reports that William Hague, British foreign secretary says, "If Gaddafi went on to be able to dominate much of the country, well this would be a long nightmare for the Libyan people and this would be a pariah state for some time to come,"Hague told BBC Radio.

Britain and France have been pushing for the imposition of a no-fly zone to shield Libyans from Gaddafi's air power.
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Russian preisdent's travel ban includes 15 figures in the Libyan leader's family and immediate circle, the Interfax news agency quoted a presidential decree as saying.

Besides the ruling family, the financial restrictions also apply to the head of Libya's military intelligence service, who is Gaddafi's brother-in-law, Interfax said.
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Al Jazeera's Tony Birtley reports from Benghazi, "Gaddafi forces are advancing and it seems like we are entering the final phase of the conflict.

"But whether this revolution will fail or succeed, that will only be determined in the coming weeks."
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12:24pm

Libyan State TV: Defected soldiers who surrender will be "pardoned".
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According to Al Jazeera's sources in Libya, Khalifa Belqasim Haftar, former Libyan army commander, who was one of Gaddafi's commanders during the war against Chad, has returned to Libya to support the rebels.
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A schoolboy, one of dozens of students escorted by teachers to the entrance of a hotel housing foreign media, kisses a portrait of Libya's leader Muammar Gaddafi in Tripoli on March 14, 2011.



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Al Jazeera's Tony Birtley reports from Benghazi, "The rebels here have two plans, Plan A is about what will happen if Gaddafi goes, how they can run their country according to their own rules and Plan B is run."
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1:28pm

Sources inside Libya's Interim National Council have told Al Jazeera that they received promises from the US, France, and UK that they will agree on a no-fly zone in the first UN Security Council meeting.
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1:38pm

According to our sources, Gaddafi forces have attacked Zuara trying to take control of it - the city is close to Libya-Tunisia border.
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2:08pm

As Libyan leader's forces bombard Ajdabiya, the last town standing before Benghazi, the rebel stronghold in the east. Check our latest story on Libya here.
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2:22pm

According to Al Jazeera's sources 1 person has been killed and 7 injured in attack by Gaddafi forces on Zuara, in western Libya.
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3:20pm

Libyan state TV says Muammar Gaddafi has offered an amnesty to rebel fighters if they agree to lay down their arms.
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Al Jazeera's correspondent in Libya said on Monday that the offer of an amnesty will play on very anxious rebel forces who don't know how they are going to be able to put up a fight against Gaddafi's forces, given the overwhelming superiority of his military forces.

"There is an enormous degree of anxiety. It's an all or nothing game now," Anita McNaught in the capital, Tripoli, said.

"If the rebels do not manage to hold out against Gaddafi and establish some kind of protective zone in the east of the country it is almost certain there would be in the wake of this some dreadful purge of those who dared to raise their hands against the Gaddafi administration.

"People know that unless they are able to in some way keep Tripoli at bay that the alternative is almost too awful to contemplate. Those fears apply equally in Tripoli; they are just not expressed as openly as they are in the east."
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The UN Security Council is meeting on Monday to consider options on Libya but no resolution is expected yet.

Scott Heidler, Al Jazeera's correspondent at the UN headquarters in New York, said the Security Council is going to be discussing a viewpoint on the no-fly zone resolution - that they don't yet have a draft resolution.

"They are taking the temperature of the other members to see what kind of draft they can put together now," he said.

"The French and the British are behind this resolution. They are saying because of the Arab League resolution encouraging the UN Security Council to pass a resolution calling for a no-fly zone - that it's not just coming from them now, it's also coming from these 22 Arab nations...

"These discussions will go on at least for today, maybe in couple of days we will see some kind of draft resolution but there are still a lot of hurdles to overcome."
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The timing couldn't be worse for the Libyan anti-Qaddafi forces
Now even the gulf Arab states have their hands full. (See new thread on Bahrain.)
Not much left out there to help the rebels unless the Europeans decide to just go for it themselves.
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Now even the gulf Arab states have their hands full. (See new thread on Bahrain.)
Not much left out there to help the rebels unless the Europeans decide to just go for it themselves.
Europe will decide to enter the "fray" right after it's too late - there will be much saber rattling and foot stomping -- heck - they might even toss a fist into the air just to show their determination !!!

Then they will bemoan the fact that an opportunity has been lost due to excessive deliberation -- but the next time such an event occurs - the deliberation will begin again - just as it has this time.

With Politicians, the world over, "talking" is the same as taking action. They just don't understand that people are dieing while they endlessly debate the issue over lunch

"Oh Yes -- we acted Immediately -- We strongly condemned the violence in our assembly" !!! We acted decisively !!!

Oh -- you mean people were still being killed ???? -- How can that be ??? We acted, in concert with each other, we even talked about a "no fly zone" -- how could the Libyan Air Force still be flying ?? After all, We discussed that !!!

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With Politicians, the world over, "talking" is the same as taking action. They just don't understand that people are dieing while they endlessly debate the issue over lunch
And so the talking goes on. Latest from Al Jazeera:

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AP reports: Supporters of a no-fly zone over Libya say they will try to quickly introduce a UN resolution that would authorise it, but getting Security Council approval is likely to take time.

8:27pm

Reuters reports: A resident of Zuwarah told Reuters that Gaddafi forces had taken control of the town and that fighting had ended.

10:30pm

The UN Security Council wrangled over calls from Britain and France for a Libya no-fly zone with Russia
insisting "fundamental questions" remain over the proposal.
Because of the split between the international powers, the Security Council will need several days to agree new action, diplomats said.
However Britain and France are already working on a draft resolution which they hope to present to the council as soon as possible.
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Yes, what DOES it mean to the world?
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Yes -- of course -- they'll take very strong action now -- they'll hold another meeting and soundly condemn Qaddafi -- that should fix everything !!

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The only "action" we'll see out of this miserable bunch will be when they leave the conference chamber and head for the nearest Bar / Lounge for cocktails.

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The most surprising development today, for me, is the claim by rebels that a number of generals in the Libyan Air Force, have defected to join the rebels and have an arsenal of weapons and fighter jets at their disposal. Their forces commanding fighter jets claim to have destroyed two of Gadhaffi's warships off the northeast coast of Ajdabiya using two MIG figher jets. They also claimed to have hit a third naval ship in the air attack.

Latest updates from the Al Jazeera blog on Libya:

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Rebels say they are fortifying the town of Ajdabiya, against a possible assault by advancing forces loyal to Gaddafi, according to the Associated Press reports.

Rebel spokesman Ahmed al-Zwei said on Tuesday that "intermittent" fighting between the two sides was taking place on an 80-kilometre stretch of road between Ajdabiya and the oil port of Brega.
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Italy's interior ministry has ordered a ferry, loaded with around 1,800 mainly Moroccan evacuees from Libya, not to enter Italian territorial waters pending checks, a port official said on Tuesday.

"The ship is currently off our coastline waiting in international waters," Antonio Giummo of the port of Augusta in Sicily told AFP news agency .

"They have asked to come into port to refuel," Giummo said, adding: "We have notified them of an entry ban ordered by the ministry."
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Al Jazeera's Tony Birtley reports from Benghazi that "There is no immediate threat to Benghazi, and the rebels have a new commander, an experienced commander who has defected from Gaddafi forces.

"This is good news for the rebel forces as he is reported to have some 8,000 men with him and heavy weapons too.

"Militarily, it is difficult for Gaddafi to come all the way to Benghazi, there will be street fighting, and Gaddafi will lose men and their morale may go down."
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Gaddafi forces and rebels are fighting for control of the oil town of Brega as the battle for eastern Libya edged closer to Benghazi.

"In Brega it is still advance and retreat, we are not in control and they are not either," rebel fighter Hussein al-Wami told the Reuters news agency.

His report was seconded by fighter Addel Ibriki, who returned to Ajdabiya from Brega on Tuesday morning. "It is still to and fro," Ibriki said.
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Battle for control rages in Libya - check our latest news story on the situation in Libya
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Supporters of Gaddafi staged a rally in the town of Zuwarah, Libyan state television reported, after rebels there were defeated by government forces.

The television station flashed up on screen a message saying the residents of the town, west of Tripoli, "came out in mass demonstrations in support of the leader of the revolution [Gaddafi]."
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Al Jazeera has learned that Gadaffi forces have reached the western gate of Ajdabiya.
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Group of Eight powers have dropped French-led proposals for a no-fly zone to end bombardment in Libya, making no mention of it in a closing statement read out by Alain Juppe, the French foreign minister.

The statement welcomed measures under way at the United Nations Security Council "as a matter of urgency" to protect Libyans from the fighting between forces loyal to Gaddafi and rebels.

His statement made no reference however to French and British proposals for a no-fly zone, which had been met with caution by the United States, Russia and the European Union.

"Ministers called on Muammar Gaddafi to respect the legitimate claim of the Libyan people to fundamental rights, freedom of expression and a representative form of government," Juppe said.

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Libyan State TV says pro-Gaddafi forces "in total control" of eastern town of Ajdabiya. There has been no confirmation yet from rebels.
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Italian foreign minister says a no-fly zone would not be enough to stop violence in Libya.
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Sergei Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, said that the Arab League needed to provide more concrete detail about a no-fly zone it has proposed be imposed over Libya.

Lavrov was speaking at a news conference after a Group of Eight foreign ministers' meeting at which G8 president France failed to get agreement to back a no-fly zone to halt the advance of Gaddafi's troops against rebel forces.
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Anti-government activists said that rebels commanding fighter jets have destroyed two of Gaddafi's warships off the northeast coast of Ajdabiya.

The opposition also claimed to have hit a third naval ship in the air attack, according to opposition website Libya al-Youm.

A number of army generals and soldiers, particularly in the Libyan Air Force, have defected to join the rebels and have an arsenal of weapons and fighter jets at their disposal.

The alleged attack comes as Gaddafi's forces continue to battle for control of Ajdabiya and the nearby city of Brega in order to advance on to the opposition stronghold of Benghazi.
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The eastern Libyan oil town of Brega has been retaken Gaddafi's forces who have advanced steadily along the coast deep into rebel-held territory, a rebel told the Reuters news agency.

"We have lost Brega completely. We could not face Gaddafi's forces," said a rebel, who identified himself only as Nasser, in the town of Ajdabiyah further east which was also under attack.

One witness, Ahmed Mohammed, who was filling up his car with fuel on his way out of Ajdabiyah, said: "Gaddafi forces entered into the centre of Ajdabiyah that is when we were shot at."

The rear window of his car was shattered. "They shot through the window, the shot through the window," said one of two women in the back of the car, where there were also five children. The car had shattered glass scattered inside.
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Britain is pushing for further United Nations sanctions against Gaddafi's government, William Hague, the British foreign secretary, said.

"We would now like further sanctions to be debated and agreed at the UN in New York," Hague told parliament.

He did not specify what sanctions Britain was looking for.


5:55pm

Here's the latest on Libya from Al Jazeera's Tony Birtley, reporting from Benghazi:


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There are conflicting reports on whether or not Ajdabiya has been captured by Gaddafi's forces.

Rebel fighters have told Al Jazeera that Ajdabiya is still under their control.
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France's UN ambassador said Paris was "deeply distressed" by the Security Council's failure to react to advances by troops loyal to Gaddafi against rebel forces.

"We are deeply distressed by the fact that things are worsening on the ground, that the Gaddafi forces are moving forward and the council has not yet reacted," Araud said.

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"There is a gun battle going on in Benghazi. Rebels are flushing out pro-Gadaffi supporters," Tony Birtley, Al Jazeera's correspondent, reporting from Benghazi said.

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Gaddafi is speaking to his supporters in Tripoli.
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Protesters in Benghazi are watching Gaddafi's speech on big screens and throwing shoes, clothes and other debris at his televised image.



11:53pm

In his address to supporters in Tripoli, Gaddafi said:

"You are saying that Gaddafi is going to leave the country, who are you to say Gaddafi is going to leave his country?"
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Reports of fighting in Benghazi.

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Here is the latest update from Al Jazeera's Tony Birtley on the developing situation in Libya:

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Gadhaffi says, "Britain, France and the U.S. will be defeated!"

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The New York Times writes about the fall of Ajadabiya to Qaddafi's troops.

Iman Bugaighis, a professor who has become a spokeswoman for the rebels, lost her composure as she spoke about the recent death of a friend’s son, who died in battle last week. Her friend’s other son, a doctor, was still missing. Western nations, she said, had “lost any credibility.”

I am not crying out of weakness,” she added. “I’ll stay here until the end. Libyans are brave. We will stand for what we believe in. But we will never forget the people who stood with us and the people who betrayed us.
Betrayed, huh? I guess she means, 'Britain, France and the U.S.'. We get kicked in the balls from both sides. Again.


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Gadhaffi says, "Britain, France and the U.S. will be defeated!"

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Betrayed, huh? I guess she means, 'Britain, France and the U.S.'. We get kicked in the balls from both sides. Again.


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Ironic -- I thought they started out by telling the World that they wanted to do this revolution all by themselves.

And now they feel they've been betrayed ??

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