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I have to side with the mods on this one. If you find someone's comments offensive bpr them and then totally ignore them. Use the structure of this forum, don't add to the nastiness. Btw ignore means exactly that. Don't respond in any public way, in other words, don't feed trolls.

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Allow the Palestinians to have an honor guard.

I don't think the Israeli's would appreciate the Palestinians "Honoring" suicides bombers and the like....
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Let the Palestinians live under a single state called Israel as second class citizens( dhimmi) a virtual apartheid
That's the only peaceful solution
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I don't think the Israeli's would appreciate the Palestinians "Honoring" suicides bombers and the like....
'Course they don't.

No, there is no Palestine. Israel isn't allowing one. No there is not Palestinian military national defense, not properly, either.

And it matters not.

Someone suggested they get a honor guard... What for? They already HAVE colour guards — much more radical things.

Who the hot-blooded young Palestinians, who for some reason resent living under a variable Israeli control-to-repression situation, CAN and often DO look to are THESE guys:

The Ezzedine al-Quassam Brigades. And part of the damn point of them is that THEY at least do not ask Israel for permission (or mercy for that matter), and as such are more or less the only Palestinian "role models" around that tick the "not subservient to the Israelis" box. (Never mind that THEIR role models tend to be the Hezbollah...) And that IS a problem, not least for Israel, but also for the Palestinians...

It's as old Ben Gurion in his time was still able to admit:
IF he had been born Palestinian, he would have fought Israel with every fibre in hos being.

But somehow that was in another time, when that amount of psychological insight and self-mirroring about the Palestinian was both possible and acceptable for Israelis, or conservative Americans for that matter.

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'Course they don't.

No, there is no Palestine. Israel isn't allowing one. No there is not Palestinian military national defense, not properly, either.

And it matters not.

Someone suggested they get a honor guard... What for? They already HAVE colour guards — much more radical things.

Who the hot-blooded young Palestinians, who for some reason resent living under a variable Israeli control-to-repression situation, CAN and often DO look to are THESE guys:

The Ezzedine al-Quassam Brigades. And part of the damn point of them is that THEY at least do not ask Israel for permission (or mercy for that matter), and as such are more or less the only Palestinian "role models" around that tick the "not subservient to the Israelis" box. (Never mind that THEIR role models tend to be the Hezbollah...) And that IS a problem, not least for Israel, but also for the Palestinians...

It's as old Ben Gurion in his time was still able to admit:
IF he had been born Palestinian, he would have fought Israel with every fibre in hos being.

But somehow that was in another time, when that amount of psychological insight and self-mirroring about the Palestinian was both possible and acceptable for Israelis, or conservative Americans for that matter.
Except the picture you shared is of Hezbollah and they are not Palestinians...Palestinians are 100% Sunni(Hamas)...Your glorifying the wrong group...Hard to keep track of em hugh ..?? Nice GoPro, AK's and HK's..Glad the monies returned to Iran is being used...

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Let the Palestinians live under a single state called Israel as second class citizens( dhimmi) a virtual apartheid
That's the only peaceful solution
There is no solution until the Pali's admit that Israel has a right to exist, goin on 70 years now...How come we don't hear the Pali's demanding Jordon take them back as citizens...Hmmm Problem solved...Naw, its more fun killing jews, right..?
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There is no solution until the Pali's admit that Israel has a right to exist, goin on 70 years now...How come we don't hear the Pali's demanding Jordon take them back as citizens...Hmmm Problem solved...Naw, its more fun killing jews, right..?
UN mandated a partition
Arabs did not agree
They launched repeated wars of aggression and lost territory , israel grew bolder in their expansion of borders
It's as simple as that
If Arabs had honored the UN and accepted Israel there might not have been a nuclear armed Israel with much enlarged orders
But Arab arrogance led them to repeated blunders
Israelis are no angels either nor are the Palestinians
It's a war over land and resources
It's not Islam vs Judaism
If anything it's European culture vs middle eastern medieval values

In black Sept Palestinians were exterminated like rats by Jordanians

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Stonewall. You do realize that Isreal accepts both Muslims and Christians into its armed forces don't you??

They do not draft them but accept volunteers and have had programs in 2014 and 2017 in an effort to increase the numbers of Christian Arabs and Bedouins (Muslim or Christian) who volunteer. Other ethnic groups can volunteer but these group are specifically targeted.

BBC stated in a recent new piece that one percent of The "Palistinian" population of Isreal serve in the Isreali army.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-37895021
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Stonewall. You do realize that Isreal accepts both Muslims and Christians into its armed forces don't you??

They do not draft them but accept volunteers and have had programs in 2014 and 2017 in an effort to increase the numbers of Christian Arabs and Bedouins (Muslim or Christian) who volunteer. Other ethnic groups can volunteer but these group are specifically targeted.

BBC stated in a recent new piece that one percent of The "Palistinian" population of Isreal serve in the Isreali army.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-37895021
I understand some Muslims and Christians have served the IDF over the years. Are those one percent of Palestinians citizens of Israel though? What kinds of operations are those Muslims and Christians engaging in, if in any manner it involved working against fellow Palestinians that is an issue. To that point in the OP it was purposed the soultion could be for Israel Palestine to be one state with a more inclusive Israeli military, with perhaps 30%+ Palestinian membership instead of 1 %.

The issue is that Palestine is not recognized by the USA and does not have a US supported military as Israel and Saudi Arabia do have.
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I understand some Muslims and Christians have served the IDF over the years. Are those one percent of Palestinians citizens of Israel though? What kinds of operations are those Muslims and Christians engaging in, if in any manner it involved working against fellow Palestinians that is an issue. To that point in the OP it was purposed the soultion could be for Israel Palestine to be one state with a more inclusive Israeli military, with perhaps 30%+ Palestinian membership instead of 1 %.

The issue is that Palestine is not recognized by the USA and does not have a US supported military as Israel and Saudi Arabia do have.
LOL

You know the US (and many other states) will not support a Palestinian military organization while Palestinians calls for the extermination of a neighboring state be it Isreal, Jordan or anyone else. The issue is that the Palestinian desire for genocide blocks their path to peace and potential statehood.
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You know the US (and many other states) will not support a Palestinian military organization while Palestinians calls for the extermination of a neighboring state be it Isreal, Jordan or anyone else. The issue is that the Palestinian desire for genocide blocks their path to peace and potential statehood.
Palestinians or Israels do not want to "exterminate " each other. Supremacist Israeli and Palestinian news sources use that type of language friend to try and get folk like you or I to take a side. Yes I said in the op that Israel Palestine should become one state with a military that might see more Palestinian membership as a possible soultion.

The US supports the governments of Saudi Arabia and Israel, we do not always support countries that have the same laws or hobbies as we have in the United States a free country, it has been shown all over the board that Israel is like Lebanon and Jordan in terms of the hobbies of its people, and the laws of the land. This is not a bad thing, Israelis themselves will say yes Israel needs to be more liberal. This is the case in many countries where folks are saying yes our country needs to improve. The hope that many Israels and Palestinians have is they will live in a better society with laws similar to that of the so called west.
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