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Old 23 Nov 12, 15:46
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One of my friends who is working in the greatest bibliothek in Cologne has checked for himself what about the palestinian fighters. He told me now to my full surprise, that they are "legal combatants"and confirmed after so much "civil wars" between us my "point of view" on it.
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One of my friends who is working in the greatest bibliothek in Cologne has checked for himself what about the palestinian fighters. He told me now to my full surprise, that they are "legal combatants"and confirmed after so much "civil wars" between us my "point of view" on it.
Well, the words of the library worker
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

Israel, the United States, Canada, the European Union, and Japan classify Hamas as a terrorist organization.

You can't have it both ways. Hamas is a terrorist organisation. You don't negotiate with terrorist. Don't tell me that you expect terrorists to live up to their agreements, and that you will hold 1.5 million people hostage when - the totally biggest not-shock ever - these terrorists don't live up to their word.
And the fairly well known precondition for recognition from the above mentions states is that Hamas openly renounce terrorism and amend its charter to remove the language on the destruction of Israel.

I don't actually expect any of this to happen in the near term. If Hamas were a normal political entity there would be a realistic chance for new leadership to take over with a new policy or a faction to break off and gain power. Since no one is allowed to argue with Allah we may have to wait for a very long time.
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One of my friends who is working in the greatest bibliothek in Cologne has checked for himself what about the palestinian fighters. He told me now to my full surprise, that they are "legal combatants"and confirmed after so much "civil wars" between us my "point of view" on it.
some of them are but some are not. The ones they show in drills would be considered legal combatants but when operating it appears most of them do not wear uniforms which moves them to illegal combatants.
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One of my friends who is working in the greatest bibliothek in Cologne has checked for himself what about the palestinian fighters. He told me now to my full surprise, that they are "legal combatants"and confirmed after so much "civil wars" between us my "point of view" on it.
Oh, well a Librarian said it, so it must be true.

Hamas is an illegal terrorist organization that supports having a second Holocaust. Supporting Hamas makes you a Nazi and a Fascist, which is illegal in your country.
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Well, the words of the library worker
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but long ago dated the nice girl, librarian
from the Kiev library.
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May I didnt express myself correct, sorry, Im still having some problems with your language.

My friend and I did have always quarrel about this question. He tried always to explain to me, that the hamas fighter are terrorists. Now he is telling me, that they are "legal combatants". He was all the time following our propaganda and I forced him, to use his own, very wide spread opportunities to study this problem along primary sources. I myself did have years ago the luck to follow a disput between some professional historiker and lawers on international laws. Since this I did have always troubel with this friend and Im not responsibel for the rules, please, but with my little knowledge I am still abel to read and understand, what is written - as it is in my language.
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Well, the words of the library worker
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but long ago dated the nice girl, librarian
from the Kiev library.
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Haven't you made some committments to stop trying to bait posters inthis fora who's views diverge from yours?

Dude- believe me-= it is 'Occam's Razor". You really should modify your label.

When have I ever steered you wrong?

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You expressed yourself perfectly well..

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May I didnt express myself correct, sorry, Im still having some problems with your language.

My friend and I did have always quarrel about this question. He tried always to explain to me, that the hamas fighter are terrorists. Now he is telling me, that they are "legal combatants". He was all the time following our propaganda and I forced him, to use his own, very wide spread opportunities to study this problem along primary sources. I myself did have years ago the luck to follow a disput between some professional historiker and lawers on international laws. Since this I did have always troubel with this friend and Im not responsibel for the rules, please, but with my little knowledge I am still abel to read and understand, what is written - as it is in my language.
Unfortunatley, we appear to have at least one on site poster who's a bit of the bully - lately...
Yopur English is finer than his. No need for an apology!
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Dude, don't let him bait you. He's just trolling for emotional outbursts.

Actually, I'm not- my long career in print media lets me recognise an 'airbrush'- sometimes.

The Gaza mall is a Potemkin village - when Superstore builds a store twice your size inyour neighbourhood, its at best 'local news'.

BTW,is there any other type of "outburst"?
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And the fairly well known precondition for recognition from the above mentions states is that Hamas openly renounce terrorism and amend its charter to remove the language on the destruction of Israel.
Ah, I see, so when a bunch of terrorists just happen to renounce terrorism, then 1.5 million civilians in Gaza will cease being held hostage to the diplomatic shell game we are playing.
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My friend and I did have always quarrel about this question. He tried always to explain to me, that the hamas fighter are terrorists.
If they are terrorists, then we in the west have a duty to go in and kill them, both for Israel's sake and for Gaza's sake. (By 'we', I mean other people while I stay back in Canada and play X-box and throw money at the problem) If they are not terrorists, then the west should revoke its official position and treat Hamas as the legitimate government of Gaza.

We're trying to have our cake and eat it to, and it comes across as hypocritical.
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It seems that things may escalate in the near future. :

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/report-israeli-spy-satellites-spot-iranian-ship-being-loaded-with-rockets-for-gaza-1.480303
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Iran is reportedly sending some of their naval vessels to escort the ship into Gaza. Israel might have something to say about the matter.
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Hey, Gaza's a free country and has a right to defend itself against an attack by it neighbors. Iran is simply supporting it's economic interests by selling some rocket powered cylinders to a very interested party. Win-win for those countries. Will the Iran-Israeli War begin off the shores of Gaza?
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Hey, Gaza's a free country and has a right to defend itself against an attack by it neighbors.
Wait, you need a sarcasm icon if you're going to post comedy. Not to say that Gaza wouldn't have a right to defend itself, but in this context, they started it, and Israel was prepared to finish it. Gaza doesn't have a right to attack its neighbor.
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