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Is there an explanation for the explosions seen far below the impact point of the 2nd airplane?
They're visible in vids from multiple angles here (start at 2:00):

https://youtu.be/814rcm4KC5w
As title of your youtu.be link suggests;
9/11: 2nd Plane Hit Collection

We are seeing multiple views/takes of the second aircraft hitting the second tower at a lower level then the first was struck at. Point 10:35 provides the most "impressive" and accurate scale of where that second strike occurred.
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As title of your youtu.be link suggests;
9/11: 2nd Plane Hit Collection

We are seeing multiple views/takes of the second aircraft hitting the second tower at a lower level then the first was struck at. Point 10:35 provides the most "impressive" and accurate scale of where that second strike occurred.
It's the same old bollocks! They get one 'theory' torn to shreds after another, as what has been happening over the past years, so these 'kids' run upstairs to their bedroom with a huge bowl of M&M's, pull their hoodie up over their neatly tin-foiled capped head, sit on their 'single-size' bed cross-legged, turn on the 'puter' and trawl through loads and loads more footage of the murder that was 9/11 to find something else to target and flag up as another 'theory'.

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As title of your youtu.be link suggests;
9/11: 2nd Plane Hit Collection

We are seeing multiple views/takes of the second aircraft hitting the second tower at a lower level then the first was struck at. Point 10:35 provides the most "impressive" and accurate scale of where that second strike occurred.
Yes, we're obviously seeing the second aircraft hitting the second tower.
I was saying that several floors below the impact point (of the second aircraft hitting the second tower) a series of explosions are visible as the plane hits.
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Yes, we're obviously seeing the second aircraft hitting the second tower.
I was saying that several floors below the impact point (of the second aircraft hitting the second tower) a series of explosions are visible as the plane hits.
Okay! If you can provide some more precise timestamps, I'll view that vid again, didn't notice what you were mentioning last time I looked.

One item to consider; these towers were completed just before the PC (Personal Computer) boom hit, and suddenly most of the tenants are setting up PCs on every desktop and the Towers are way shy on enough electrical and telephonic grid/cable/capacity to serve the demand. Hence for most of their lives, these Towers had a constant swarm of workpersons running cable/cord/line throughout the Towers along with corresponding switches, transforms, junctions, etc. (Kill CT "one" about the buildings being "wired" with detonators/explosives.)

What you may be seeing is the electrical overloading of those transformers causing them to explode, blowing out the windows of the rooms/suites where they were housed.



(Also, some falling debris from the impact event might also be cause of "blow-out"~"explosions" on lower floors. )
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Bock putting a theory forward is always a red flag.
To you mostly.

Try getting past the failed efforts at snide, the vague implied innuendo, and the indirect ad-homenums and see if you can contribute something of more substance.

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The 9-11 terrorists launched from Afghanistan. The fact that bin Ladin had the financing of his family fortune-which is huge- and has ties with the Saudi government - bin Ladin is peerage within the Saudi monarchy - gives the impression outwardly that the Saudi government had its hands in the soup.
We can't know for sure that the Saudi government had nothing to do with the direct financing of the 9-11 attacks. The fact is, however, that at that time the Afghani government openly supported terrorism and allowed groups such as al qaeda to flourish and indeed supported them financially as well.
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Okay! If you can provide some more precise timestamps, I'll view that vid again, didn't notice what you were mentioning last time I looked.

One item to consider; these towers were completed just before the PC (Personal Computer) boom hit, and suddenly most of the tenants are setting up PCs on every desktop and the Towers are way shy on enough electrical and telephonic grid/cable/capacity to serve the demand. Hence for most of their lives, these Towers had a constant swarm of workpersons running cable/cord/line throughout the Towers along with corresponding switches, transforms, junctions, etc. (Kill CT "one" about the buildings being "wired" with detonators/explosives.)

What you may be seeing is the electrical overloading of those transformers causing them to explode, blowing out the windows of the rooms/suites where they were housed.



(Also, some falling debris from the impact event might also be cause of "blow-out"~"explosions" on lower floors. )
I think it's best visible at 3:20, 4:29 and 6:11. There is the main impact point and explosion, another explosion at the center of the tower, to the right of the point of impact but roughly at the same level, and a series of smaller explosions several floors below the impact point (I looked that up and the location seems to correspond to the technical services floors).
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To you mostly.

Try getting past the failed efforts at snide, the vague implied innuendo, and the indirect ad-homenums and see if you can contribute something of more substance.

Okay, you theories are routinely idiotic.
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I think it's best visible at 3:20, 4:29 and 6:11. There is the main impact point and explosion, another explosion at the center of the tower, to the right of the point of impact but roughly at the same level, and a series of smaller explosions several floors below the impact point (I looked that up and the location seems to correspond to the technical services floors).
That's flashes from the artillery stationed in New Jersey, there to make sure the towers did come down.
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That's flashes from the artillery stationed in New Jersey, there to make sure the towers did come down.
Hahaha ,excellent!
Thanks for the correction ,I first believed this was Arnold's trying to cut in half the tower with his Harrier ,like in "true lies"
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The 9-11 terrorists launched from Afghanistan. The fact that bin Ladin had the financing of his family fortune-which is huge- and has ties with the Saudi government - bin Ladin is peerage within the Saudi monarchy - gives the impression outwardly that the Saudi government had its hands in the soup.
We can't know for sure that the Saudi government had nothing to do with the direct financing of the 9-11 attacks. The fact is, however, that at that time the Afghani government openly supported terrorism and allowed groups such as al qaeda to flourish and indeed supported them financially as well.
Actually, we have proof that the funding came from Saudi, as did several of the terrorists. Do you actually think that we were training airline pilots from Afghanistan?
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Okay, you theories are routinely idiotic.
YOUR track record of posts would suggest you are on intimate terms with idiotic.

MEANWHILE ...

Please cite which of the "theories" I've presented in this thread are "idioitic" per your subjective judgement.
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YOUR track record of posts would suggest you are on intimate terms with idiotic.

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Please cite which of the "theories" I've presented in this thread are "idioitic" per your subjective judgement.
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