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South Ossetian Conflict Discuss the conflict between Georgia and Russia over South Ossetia.

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Old 26 Aug 08, 13:27
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I have to admit that I am surprised by Russia's latest move. Its as though they are seeking further confrontation. So how long until Russia annexes SO and Abkhazia? A day? A week?
I thought the Kremlin would stop short of completing this recognition. Maybe they realize there isn't much to gain in negotiations with the West at this point.

It looks like we have reached "mutual alienation." Russia must understand it can not obtain any new positive understanding this way. The only result is a strong Western policy to isolate and weaken Russia and her allies. How best to achieve this is very debatable, but it is a discussion we can no longer afford to avoid.

One option is some kind of informal expansion of NATO. Allies should start or expand economic and military assistance Russia's neighbors who demonstrate a reasonable degree of stability.
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I thought the Kremlin would stop short of completing this recognition
That is exactly what I thought. Or that at least it will take much longer than a day.
It is first unreversable political desision in this conflict. It may mean that Russia stops playing games and actually commits into something.
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Funny. The only organization that supported SO independance so far is Hamas
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Lightbulb The funny thing is

Will the US and other countries recognise this "new country" as well.......

Cheers, I don't think so as the US and others strongly condemmed this from the get go, for what its worth anyways. LOL

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As for "what if" question - will SO ask now to be included into Russia? Abkhazia most likely not...
As if Russia will give them a choice.

And I'm sure that the same "choice" would be given to Georgia if this isn't checked soon.
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A lot of people in Russia think that independent but friendly to Russia Abkhazia is more beneficial than Abkhazia as part of Russia.
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Abkhazia cannot survive without Russian charity. So it doesn't really matter whether it is formally part of Russia or not it will be a Russian territory de facto (as it pretty much has been so far).
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Would you support that statement?
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Abkhaz and their allies like Basayev drove off most non-Abkhaz from the region in early nineties. Now Abkhazia has about 250 000 inhabitants, it has no significant natural resources and is not en route to some important trade route. It survives right now on Russian tourism and Russian investments/subsidies. Given their international status just got more complicated it is unlikely to attract any other investments.

I do have to correct my statement that while SO survives purely on charity, Abkhazia does apparently have some value as a Russian tourism destination. So it is more correct to state that Abkhazia survives solely on Russian goodwill.
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they should have spoken like that to the Kosovars, first .
coz, lack of respect towards Serbia, in the first place, has brought us to all this...
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A lot of people in Russia think that independent but friendly to Russia Abkhazia is more beneficial than Abkhazia as part of Russia.
Way to go. That way the Russians don't subsidize the resort, and the Abkhazians get to realize their problems are only their own and they've got to fend for themselves. No need to blame other tribes and start or continue another one of those interminable regional blood feuds.

And if you could just pay/subsidize to swap apartments or houses in these ethnic cleansing operations (usually both sides) I believe it would be a lot cheaper in every way in the long run.
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they should have spoken like that to the Kosovars, first .
coz, lack of respect towards Serbia, in the first place, has brought us to all this...
Let me start out by saying that I agree with your premise that granting Kosovo independence was a bad idea, but are you saying that somehow the independence of Kosovo served as a catalist for the situation in Georgia? If that is the case, I have to agree with you again.
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... the Abkhazians get to realize their problems are only their own and they've got to fend for themselves...
that sounds a bit idealistic...
there are numbers of nations that have never been able ''to fend for themselves''.
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... the independence of Kosovo served as a catalist for the situation in Georgia?...
more likely: it was a geopolitical exchange, during which - the West and Russia swapped these two territories .
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that sounds a bit idealistic...
there are numbers of nations that have never been able ''to fend for themselves''.
Now, now Stalin, despite your avatar I've a sneaking suspicion you share my 'idealism'. In the long long run the more of these breakaway serfdoms there are, the easier it will be to form a global 'republic', in the truest sense of the word.
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