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South Ossetian Conflict Discuss the conflict between Georgia and Russia over South Ossetia.

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Do not evade the issue.Russia has no reputation concerning the rights of etnic groups to have their own independent country.It did not recognize Kosovo.It would not be pleased if all non-russians wanted to secede from russia.The west should certainly stimulate these movements to put Russia with its back against the wall.
That's a very interesting idea. Maybe we should encourage the Chechens to claim independence from Russia.
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Would it accept the secession of north ossetia?Will it recognize Kosovo?
Both questions were already asked in this thread. (is it a stereotype or result of mass media propaganda?) I don't see how is it relevant. If it will recognize kosovo, does it mean that everyone who recognized kosovo have to recgnize SO and Abkhazia?
secession of north ossetia? why not chechnya? or tatarstan? or california? return of Alaska to Russia? secession of California? or south vs north? - they all make pretty much same sense.
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Both questions were already asked in this thread. (is it a stereotype or result of mass media propaganda?) I don't see how is it relevant. If it will recognize kosovo, does it mean that everyone who recognized kosovo have to recgnize SO and Abkhazia?
secession of north ossetia? why not chechnya? or tatarstan? or california? return of Alaska to Russia? secession of California? or south vs north? - they all make pretty much same sense.
No they don't, not in any sense of the definition. Why would we return Alaska to Russia? It was bought and paid for. It has no bearing on the situations in SO and Kosovo, and is nothing like those. Secession of California? Where did that come from?
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What I am saying, there is great forum for such wonderful "what if" questions, called "Alternate Timelines" right here on armchairgeneral.

to me more important the fact that this step can not be reversed, and this is different from everything else that was going on in this conflict.
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No they don't, not in any sense of the definition. Why would we return Alaska to Russia? It was bought and paid for. It has no bearing on the situations in SO and Kosovo, and is nothing like those. Secession of California? Where did that come from?
I think he must have been speaking to Nancy Pelosi.
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As for "what if" question - will SO ask now to be included into Russia? Abkhazia most likely not. Abkhazia probably will request military assistence.
will Georgia break diplomatic relations with Russia? 4-7 precent of Georgian GDP comes from Georgian citizens working in Russia. Number of Gergian living currently in Russia is huge. (it is more than 10 percent of Georgian population)
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Both questions were already asked in this thread. (is it a stereotype or result of mass media propaganda?) I don't see how is it relevant. If it will recognize kosovo, does it mean that everyone who recognized kosovo have to recgnize SO and Abkhazia?
secession of north ossetia? why not chechnya? or tatarstan? or california? return of Alaska to Russia? secession of California? or south vs north? - they all make pretty much same sense.
The issue is that russia has always had an aversion against secession movements.It has a lot to lose from that.
It recognizes South ossetia and abchazia solely to annoy Georgia.
It did not want to recognize Kosovo.
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OH, there are quite a few nations within Russia interested in exploring independence - especially if they get to do a little ethnic cleansing prior. How about Mari El Republic, Tatarstan, Mordovia?
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OH, there are quite a few nations within Russia interested in exploring independence - especially if they get to do a little ethnic cleansing prior. How about Mari El Republic, Tatarstan, Mordovia?
The west should certainly encourage them to weaken russia.
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yes we should - it is perfectly normal for other countries to support another country rebels, especially if it is not that friendly country.
Just don't behave like it is ok for some countries but not the others.
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I don't agree we should encourage them, because Russia will not apply the same standard to them as it did in SO and Abkhazia and at worst it will lead to a bloodbath similar to what happened in Chechnya. I don't see anybody in the west willing to intervene in such a situation.
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I have to admit that I am surprised by Russia's latest move. Its as though they are seeking further confrontation. So how long until Russia annexes SO and Abkhazia? A day? A week?
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... I'd point to Serbia as an example- stripped, sometimes forcibly, of their satellites, they finally seem to have awoken to the fact that their miseries are largely self-inflicted and are doing some positive things about it.
... good example - if referred to Georgia .
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I have to admit that I am surprised by Russia's latest move. Its as though they are seeking further confrontation. So how long until Russia annexes SO and Abkhazia? A day? A week?
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Reaction as Russia backs rebels

What is interesting about this is that Russia has succeeded in alienating some countries that will routinely support her.

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JAAP DE HOOP SCHEFFER, NATO SECRETARY GENERAL
This is in direct violation of numerous UN Security Council resolutions regarding Georgia's territorial integrity, resolutions that Russia itself has endorsed. Russia's actions in recent weeks call into question Russia's commitment to peace and security in the Caucasus. Nato firmly supports the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Georgia and calls on Russia to respect these principles.


CARL BILDT, SWEDISH FOREIGN MINISTER
That the Russian government leadership now has chosen this route means they have chosen a policy of confrontation, not only with the rest of Europe, but also with the international community in general.


GERMAN CHANCELLOR ANGELA MERKEL
This contradicts the principle of territorial integrity, a principle based on the international law of nations and for this reason it is unacceptable.


FRENCH FOREIGN MINISTRY SPOKESMAN
We consider this is a regrettable decision and I recall our attachment to the territorial integrity of Georgia.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7582367.stm
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