1st US Infantry Division Inactive for a month

[Joseph20736]

I believe that the 172nd Stryker BCT will just sew on 25th Inf Div patches when they are reflagged as 1st Stryker BCT.

Joey

[Joseph20736]

I have heard that because of the status of operations in Iraq the forming of new BCT and reflagging of some Brigades will be delayed.
After the election in Nov 06, look for the call-up of two National Guard Divisions Hqs and up to eight National Guard BCTs. The 24 month rule also will be changed for all reserve personnel. I'm betting on 4 heavy BCTs and 4 Infantry BCTs will be called up. They could be the 30th Heavy BCT, NC ARNG; 39th Infantry BCT, AK ARNG; 81st Heavy BCT, WS ARNG; 53rd Infantry BCT, FL ARNG; 55th Heavy BCT 28th Inf Div, PA ARNG; 41st Inf BCTs, OR ARNG; 256th Heavy BCT, LA ARNG; and 45th Inf BCT, OK ARNG.
The two Division Hqs could be the 28th Inf Div, PA, and 35th Inf Div, KS.
The rotation in late 2007 for these units.

Joe

[Bayonet Six]

Joe: I don't know your source, but I doubt that a number of those units will come on AD
Possibly the 28th ID and 35th ID. Good units. But politically probably not
On the brigades. Certainly not the 30th BCT, 39th BCT-they were on AD in 2004.
Also not 53rd or 256th BCT. Recently on AD
Candidates include the 45th, 76th and 218th BCT. I think the 218th BCT is the only brigade not called to AD during OIF/OEF.

[Pruitt]

Since the 35th INFDIV is having trouble finding Brigades, I am sure you are referring to the HQ unit. Anybody have a list of Brigades that served and which have not served overseas, yet?

Since it was announced that they wanted to convert the 256th INFBDE to a Combat Support Brigade, I don't know if it would go. I still have not heard back on its status.

Pruitt

[Bayonet Six]

Pruitt: 35th ID will hang around as a Command & Control unit

Brigades without combat credit include 27th BCT, 32nd BCT. 31st BCT and the 218th.
Divisional brigades include 55th,26th,149th,37th,72nd, 50th and probably one or two from 40th ID.
Agree with you that 256th BCT status is hard to figure out.

[Bayonet Six]

Pruitt: Make that 41st BCT vice 31st. 31st is a chemical brigade.

[Pruitt]

Bayonet Six,

I checked with the Alabama site on Global Security. The 31st BCT was once the 31st Armor BDE. The 31st Chem BDE was once the 122 Chem BDE. You still have a need to place the 31st Armor BDE as I don't recall them going anywhere.

Pruitt

[Bayonet Six]

Pruitt: A lot of times Global Security is not up to date with transformation initiatives.

The 31st Chemical Brigade took the lineage from the 31st Armored Brigade when that unit was taken off the troop list in 2002. Alabama has only a single infantry battalion . The transformation initiative assigns them to the 149th BCT. Whacky arrangements

[Joseph20736]

Originally Posted by Pruitt

Since the 35th INFDIV is having trouble finding Brigades, I am sure you are referring to the HQ unit. Anybody have a list of Brigades that served and which have not served overseas, yet?

Since it was announced that they wanted to convert the 256th INFBDE to a Combat Support Brigade, I don't know if it would go. I still have not heard back on its status.

Pruitt

All the enhanced serparate brigades have been deployed at least once. Under the reorganization plan now in effect the 35th Infantry Division will control the 39th IBCT, 33rd IBCT, 216th IBCT and the 48th IBCT. 35th Inf DIv is made up on Hqs and Special Troops Battalion about 900 troops.

I look for the 24th month deployment policy to be changed after the election.
Remember that replacement troops have enlisted to fill up those brigades after they returned to the US from Iraq or Afgan. The unit now being called up are being "Cross Leveled" with soldiers from other units with the same MOSs to get to full strenght. The effect of the 24 month rule.

Joe

[Joseph20736]

Current listing of assignments of NG BCTs to NG Divisions:

28th Inf Div 29th Inf Div 34th Inf DIv 35th Inf Div 36th Inf Div 38th Inf Div
2nd IBCT 58th IBCT 1st HBCT 39th IBCT 56th IBCT 37th IBCT
55th HBCT 30th HBCT 2nd IBCT 33rd IBCT 72th IBCT 76th IBCT
56th SBCT 92nd IBCT 116th HBCT 218th IBCT 256th IBCT 149th IBCT
53rd IBCT 116th IBCT 32nd IBCT 48th IBCT 155th HBCT 278thHBCT
45th IBCT

40th Inf Div 42nd Inf Div
81st HBCT 27th IBCT
29th IBCY 50th IBCT
41st IBCT 86th IBCT
40th IBCT 26th IBCT
207th IBCT


To be conpleted by 2011. 4 Heavy and 2 Infantry were schedule to be converted to combat support units. Units have not been identified as of 30 Oct 06.

[Pruitt]

Joseph,

I can't make any sense of your divisions and attached brigades. I know the Divisions with three Brigades will add a fourth. What makes it interesting to me is they will sometimes add a Light Infantry Brigade with a Heavy Division. Unless they add some truck battalions those guys are going to have to walk mighty fast to keep up...

What also bothers me is many Divisions seem to be standing down instate Brigades to add out of state Brigades. Not a good way to run things, disbanding units.

Pruitt

[Joseph20736]

Originally Posted by Pruitt

Joseph,

I can't make any sense of your divisions and attached brigades. I know the Divisions with three Brigades will add a fourth. What makes it interesting to me is they will sometimes add a Light Infantry Brigade with a Heavy Division. Unless they add some truck battalions those guys are going to have to walk mighty fast to keep up...

What also bothers me is many Divisions seem to be standing down instate Brigades to add out of state Brigades. Not a good way to run things, disbanding units.

Pruitt

Pruitt,

The NG Divisions will be like the active duty divisions. Each was Hqs section and about 900 troop Special Troops Battalion. That's it. BCTs, Fire Bdes, Support Bdes will come from any unit of that type, active or reserve, from any state. PA 28th Inf Div will have three Bdes from the state. TX 36th Inf Div will have 2 bdes from that state. 40th Inf Div from CA will have one bde, 42nd Inf Div NY will have one bde. 38th Inf Div IN will have one bde. 34th Inf Div MN will have one bde from that state. 29th Inf Div VA will have one bde from that state. 35th Inf Div KS will have no bdes from Kansas assigned.
Keep in mind 6 BCTs are to be converted to Combat Suppport Units. There have never been IDed publicly so far. Four Heavy and two infantry BCTs plus on Combat Aviation Bde.

Joe

[Bayonet Six]

Joe/ Pruitt:
The transformation does make some sense. Remember that the ARNG divisions have only assigned Special Troops battalions and in some instances Fires Brigades. The BCT are only there for peacetime command and control. The idea is that the BCT is self sustaining ( or so they say) and can be attached to any war-fighting unit.

The State Adjutant Generals have been very good in retaining the most historic infantry regiments. Some are assigned to units some distance away. Like the 1st Bn, 200th Infantry from New Mexico to the 26th BCT in Mass. It "sort of " makes sense. But the continued ARNG reorganizations can be tough at times. They have been faced with three "reorganizations" in the past 4 or 5 years.

[Bayonet Six]

Pruitt. The 218th BCT is still sitting in South Carolina. Never deployed as BCT.
Some elements were on Active Duty for Noble Eagle and possibly a company attached to a BCT in Iraq.

[Pruitt]

The problem I have is why do we have to demobilise Brigades that were there and functioning, just to add out of state brigades? Texas and California have the two largest populations and two of the largest National Guards. There is no need for out of state brigades in either the 36th or 40th Infantry Divisions. New York should also have a Division of its own. Pennsylvania having its own division while other states demobilise units? Politics are in the air!

There are enough National Guard Brigades in New England to field the old 26th Infantry Division, but no, we have them posted to the 42nd and 29th Divisions. We could for puposes of espirit and tradition continue to honor the older National Guard Divisions or we could throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I would like to point out that the old artillery units and support units of these Divisions should still be there and there is no reason to attach say, a Pennsylvania SUPBDE to the 36th INFDIV (TexasNG). That is not to say you could not leave the Pennsylvania SUPBDE In Iraq to service the fighting Brigades of the Texas 36th INFDIV while the Texas SUPDIV comes in a little later.

I will say that once the National Guard Divisions are activated, I go along with the Pentagon having total control over use of the units.

Are you sure there is a 1/200 INFREG in New Mexico? Historically, they were Cavalry, Artillery or Antiaircraft troops in the New Mexico Guard. What possible reason would there be in assigning this unit to the 26th BCT? I could see the Mountain Infantry Battalion from Vermont.

As to converting BCTs to Support Brigades, I thought the Army Reserve was where most of these troops were. Someone should please explain why the Army Reserve does not have the troops to handle these functions.

The Army plans to use these same converted Support Brigades as Light Infantry (read Constabulatory) in a pinch. There won't be any medical or support companies in support brigades, though. I say if you need Infantry, leave them Infantry and RAISE new support units. The old Light Infantry Battalions now need trucks to transport them.

Pruitt