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I've been to Barcelona. I was not impressed. The 'Church' and its Art is unimpressive imho. Penis shaped chimneys does not float my boat. Worse, the people were generally more than rude. Apparently rude waiters are a theme? Getting pickpocketed was actually a bonus, since we were forced to see the city by foot, and therefore saw more, and I do like my old bricks.

I don't like Catalonia from my limited experience.

That said, despite the fact that the local culture is pretty rubbish imho, people need to feel free. Allow Catalonia to become independent, and see what happens? The local football team would die, but the millionaire football players would easily find a home elsewhere.
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I've been to Barcelona. I was not impressed. The 'Church' and its Art is unimpressive imho. Penis shaped chimneys does not float my boat. Worse, the people were generally more than rude. Apparently rude waiters are a theme? Getting pickpocketed was actually a bonus, since we were forced to see the city by foot, and therefore saw more, and I do like my old bricks.

I don't like Catalonia from my limited experience.

That said, despite the fact that the local culture is pretty rubbish imho, people need to feel free. Allow Catalonia to become independent, and see what happens? The local football team would die, but the millionaire football players would easily find a home elsewhere.
Been to Barcelona once for a conference. Seemed nice enough, good food, they are big on fish. Nice hotel, people seemed friendly.
Everything was free of course which helped.
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Even when you pay , it seems free compared to here .Spain is even cheaper for tourists (I insist on tourists ) ,than was Greece this summer .
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Thousands are gathering at simultaneous rallies in Madrid and Barcelona in a call for dialogue amid a political crisis caused by Catalonia’s secession push.

People dressed in white gathered in both the Spanish capital of Madrid and in the Catalan city of Barcelona under the slogan “Shall We Talk?” in a message to Spain’s politicians.

Organizers of the rallies had asked people to not bring any flags, neither Spanish nor Catalan, and to wear white clothes.

At the same time in Madrid there was another rally in support of Spanish unity and against Catalan independence.
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Spanish media say the company that provides water for Barcelona, Agbar, is the latest major company in Catalonia to announce that it’s relocating its headquarters due to secession fears.

Europa Press news agency and other Spanish media reports that Agbar’s board decided to relocate its headquarters to Madrid temporarily until the political conflict in Catalonia is resolved.

Catalonia’s two major banks, CaixaBank and Banco Sabadell, as well energy giant Gas Natural had already decided in recent days to move their headquarters to other parts of Spain.
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Barcelonas rush towards secession will have some knock-on effects for a while yet, even if this gets settled before an actual attempt at independence is made.
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Barcelonas rush towards secession will have some knock-on effects for a while yet, even if this gets settled before an actual attempt at independence is made.
Which is a reminder of just how mind bogglingly stupid Madrid's response was. All it had to do was let the vote proceed, refuse to accept the results and then put the pressure back on the local Catalan government. Point out how this disrespects a constitution Catalans themselves endorsed. Point out what there is to lose. Point out how much of a distraction this is from real world problems. Watch as money starts moving out and watch as the pressure for change dies down. Maybe throw them a few bones on autonomy.

Instead they did the dumbest thing they could have. Even if this doesn't result in independence Catalonia will get more concessions than it otherwise would have. Morons!
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I've been to Barcelona. I was not impressed. The 'Church' and its Art is unimpressive imho. Penis shaped chimneys does not float my boat. Worse, the people were generally more than rude. Apparently rude waiters are a theme? Getting pickpocketed was actually a bonus, since we were forced to see the city by foot, and therefore saw more, and I do like my old bricks.

I don't like Catalonia from my limited experience.

That said, despite the fact that the local culture is pretty rubbish imho, people need to feel free. Allow Catalonia to become independent, and see what happens? The local football team would die, but the millionaire football players would easily find a home elsewhere.
There is no way that that Barcelona would leave the Spanish league if Catalonia achieved independence from Spain. Let's not forget that you have Welsh teams playing in the English leagues and Monaco plays in the French league.
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Which is a reminder of just how mind bogglingly stupid Madrid's response was. All it had to do was let the vote proceed, refuse to accept the results and then put the pressure back on the local Catalan government. Point out how this disrespects a constitution Catalans themselves endorsed. Point out what there is to lose. Point out how much of a distraction this is from real world problems. Watch as money starts moving out and watch as the pressure for change dies down. Maybe throw them a few bones on autonomy.

Instead they did the dumbest thing they could have. Even if this doesn't result in independence Catalonia will get more concessions than it otherwise would have. Morons!
Oh absolutely. The Spanish government responded with pants-on-head idiocy. I really do have the sense they just didn't think Barcelona would have the huevos to go through with it (despite ample warning) and were forced to scramble in the aftermath.

Support for Catalonian independence was always going to be limited - the EU certainly didn't want it - but Madrid did exactly what Barcelona needed by overreacting. He provoked the other player into throwing the first punch when the ref was looking.

Of course, Barcelona then took this and overreached, but that's just how things seem to go there. Barcelona had a moral victory by being the victim of Madrid's incompetence, but now they're coming face to face with some harsher realities about their own feeble position.

How things play out will be very interesting in the next couple of days.
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I've been to Barcelona. I was not impressed. The 'Church' and its Art is unimpressive imho. Penis shaped chimneys does not float my boat. Worse, the people were generally more than rude. Apparently rude waiters are a theme? Getting pickpocketed was actually a bonus, since we were forced to see the city by foot, and therefore saw more, and I do like my old bricks.

I don't like Catalonia from my limited experience.

That said, despite the fact that the local culture is pretty rubbish imho, people need to feel free. Allow Catalonia to become independent, and see what happens? The local football team would die, but the millionaire football players would easily find a home elsewhere.
I went to Barcelona as a poverty stricken student, which likely helped avoid the attention of pick pockets. For all its delights, my abiding memory of Barcelona is a reluctant mime artist being wrapped in bandages for his act as a mummy statue. His assistant was just about to start wrapping the bandages around his face and I have never seen someone looking so disgruntled at the start of a day's work.
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Which is a reminder of just how mind bogglingly stupid Madrid's response was.
All of you that are calling the government in Madrid stupid and idiotic, and by extension the rest of the Spaniards, are insulting yourselves because you do not understand the issues and what is at stake.


The gov could not simply stand idle by. It must act to uphold the law. It would have been done better of course, ideally the Catalan traitors should have been arrested or suspended long ago before letting them go this far, but this has been decades in the making and the inevitable showdown would happen.


Like I said, the whole vote farce was to show police beating up civilians and play the victim card. If you cared to see the whole picture and not the cropped image the media and the Catalan separatists are showing you, you would turn it around, it's police doing their job and exerting restraint in self defense when attacked by angry mobs.

The wild exagerations about police brutality and hundreds of wounded have been proven false with impartial reporting.

The gov was naive in believing the regional police would obey and close down all voting buildings to prevent the voting, some disobeyed and the state police had to act, and forcibly evacuate the premises.


The separatists scored a PR victory, but that was unavoidable, damned if we do, damned if we don't. In a few days it will be forgotten as the world really does not give a damn and nobody is coming in to help the Catalan seps.


Doing nothing would have emboldened the septics, and would have send a wrong and dangerous signal to the bulk of moderate Catalans that are in for the money in this whole independence business.

It's all great to daydreaming about easy painless independence enjoying the benefits of belonging in European Uion and leeching Spain, but when reality ensues and independence is seen as messy, painful and dangerous, all the opportunist turncoats change their mind. And the pro-Spain Catalans who were dispirited and resigned to their fate of thinking of fleeing Catalonia got encouraged.


Listen, nobody in Spain gives a FNORD about what the rest of the world says, because nobody really cares, and those that care, the Germans, want their money back.

People in Spain are actually cheering for the police and demanding they crack the separasite heads. Opinion polls show an even split on approval/disapproval of police action, but outside Catalonia the support is overwhelming and if anything, everybody is criticizing the gov for it's late and weak response.

Some Catalans are crazy and hate Spain, unfortunately true. But it is not less true that the rest of Spaniards are fed up of putting up with decades of whining and abuse, the more violent the Catalan seps get, the more powerful the backlash in the rest of Spain. The withdrawal of funds from Catalan banks and the boycott to Catalan products are just the beginning.

Now the bank run panic has extended to the pro-separatism Catalans themselves, many people who where at first supportive of independence, now have changed their minds and there are long queues at neighbouring Aragón bank offices to open accounts outside Catalonia.

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Again. Nobody of you all that have expressed similar reasonings have a clue of what's the real situation.


The time for negotiation and concessions was long over. People are fed up with the constant blackmailing. Paying the blackmail has not worked.

During 40 years of democracy the Catalan separasites have been given EVERYTHING they asked for and then some. Separatism sentiment has not decreased but actually increased, because it's not rational, is just a sick hate ideology imposed through brainwashing in school and the media.

Appeasament does not work. The Spanish people are fed up with giving for nothing and want now to take back something in return. If not loyalty, at least to cut the heads of the hydra of the autonomous governments, all seventeen of them.


The moronical mantra about a "Federalized Spain" ignores the reality, Spain already is all but in name a federal state. Worse than that, is a collection of seventeen petty kingdoms with each regional oligarchy doing as it damn pleases. If we had a working federal system like the US and Germany, the regional fiefdoms would be much more strictly controlled and the central government would be far stronger than it is today.

No use negotiating with fanatics that are looking for breakup. There's nobody rational in Barcelona to negotiate with.

The point of no return was passed already. The national government cannot negotiate because it would be seen as a surrender by their voters and without incurring in treason themselves.


There's nobody to negotiate with and nothing to negotiate about. Simply because there's NOTHING left to give
. Successive governments have already given everything to the Catalan chaste. Making more concessions would be to the detriment of the rest of Spaniards, who would become second class citizens in their own country, paying with their taxes the privileges of the Catalans. The demands of the Catalan separasites are completely untenable.


In Spain nobody wanted conflict, but if pushed the Spanish people will shove back.
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