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Nice vid, happy that they actually give an explanation on the F-4 performance over Vietnam, and good to hear them touch the energy theory of John Boyd.
We just love the Air Guard F-15's coming to the Netherlands in the spring.



One thing on the gun : the Navy never got a gun on their F-4's yet had a kill ratio that was a lot better than that of the USAF. Had to do a lot (if not everything) with the training. The gun is a last resort weapon.
The German Air Force did it the other way around: their 200-ish F-4's were bought without the BVR missile system, and modernized only in 1991/92 to carry the AMRAAM. Still got to figure out why on earth you'd buy Phantoms without BVR capability. They could have bought 400 F-5E's instead and kicked the **** out of all the MiG's.

Well, the F-15 having a big radar ultimately led to the F-22: who wants to fight at close range. Still has the Vulcan though.
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I heard the Iranians tried using the Hawk SA missile in an air to air role on their Tomcats.
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Nice vid, happy that they actually give an explanation on the F-4 performance over Vietnam, and good to hear them touch the energy theory of John Boyd.
We just love the Air Guard F-15's coming to the Netherlands in the spring.



One thing on the gun : the Navy never got a gun on their F-4's yet had a kill ratio that was a lot better than that of the USAF. Had to do a lot (if not everything) with the training. The gun is a last resort weapon.
The German Air Force did it the other way around: their 200-ish F-4's were bought without the BVR missile system, and modernized only in 1991/92 to carry the AMRAAM. Still got to figure out why on earth you'd buy Phantoms without BVR capability. They could have bought 400 F-5E's instead and kicked the **** out of all the MiG's.

Well, the F-15 having a big radar ultimately led to the F-22: who wants to fight at close range. Still has the Vulcan though.
One problem with the USAF's use of the F-4 in Vietnam was they were more likely to be using the AIM 4 Falcon missile. The USN made earlier and greater use of Sparrow and Sidewinder missiles.

The AIM 4 had serious limitations and a pretty high fail rate that made it widely despised as an AAM.
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The F-4 is a favorite of mine also along with the AV-8 Harrier.
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