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I would think that an NK fishing boat off the US Pacific coast would stand out like a blind carpenter's thumb especially if the US is using radar satellites combined with Automatic Identification System (AIS) sensors . But they could use a submarine - especially if the crew didn't mind not coming back!
If an entire Jap carrier fleet could sneak up on Pearl Harbor without being detected, an NK trawler carrying a nuke bomb would probably find it a piece o' cake..
And yeah an NK sub could do it much stealthier by just depositing a nuke bomb on the seabed near a US coastal city on a time fuse and then skedaddling..



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And yeah an NK sub could do it much stealthier by just depositing a nuke bomb on the seabed near a US coastal city on a time fuse and then skedaddling..
An old sub like that can't do anything stealthily.
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If an entire Jap carrier fleet could sneak up on Pearl Harbor without being detected, an NK trawler carrying a nuke bomb would probably find it a piece o' cake..
And yeah an NK sub could do it much stealthier by just depositing a nuke bomb on the seabed near a US coastal city on a time fuse and then skedaddling..



Photoshopped! Let's see him in a fighter plane flying it... Then we'll have proof that
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If an entire Jap carrier fleet could sneak up on Pearl Harbor without being detected, an NK trawler carrying a nuke bomb would probably find it a piece o' cake..
And yeah an NK sub could do it much stealthier by just depositing a nuke bomb on the seabed near a US coastal city on a time fuse and then skedaddling..



Technology has changed a lot since then. Today there is satellite borne radsr coup!Ed with automatic recognition sensors
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An old sub like that can't do anything stealthily.
The Western seaboard of the USA is 1400 miles long, so unless the Coastguard and Navy are constantly patrolling it listening for sonar contacts, Kim could possibly thread a single sub through the screen (running silent and deep) to deposit a nuke warhead on the seabed on a time fuse just offshore of San Francisco, L,A., San Diego etc.
Plus of course there's over another 1000 miles of coastline to protect if we include Alaska, Hawaii, Guam etc.
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Photoshopped! Let's see him in a fighter plane flying it... Then we'll have proof that
Kim has got 20 of those Romeo-class subs, each with a range of 9000 miles.
It's 5000 miles from NK to the US homeland and a lot less to Hawaii, Alaska and Guam, so if anybody's got a beachfront property Kim could be out there spying on you and your wife through his periscope..
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Forget Korea, that horse has left the stable.
Focus on Iran.
Are you serious? "Forget Korea"? Just let them keep building a massive nuclear arsenal, which they've said many times will be used on the United States?

I call that advice "The Little Bo Peep strategy": 'Leave them alone, and they'll come home, a-wagging their tails behind them."

Sheer fantasy, which is guaranteed to blow up in your face.
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Unless you eliminate the research facilities too, they will just start again, somewhere else.
And THAT is where Iran enters into the picture in a big way.

Okay, from that map, it looks as if about 50 nuclear warheads could finish the job.now?
Drop 50 nuclear bombs on North Korea?? Hold on. You have to think about this in a realistic, real-world way. Not just some couch-potato musings.

You have to realize that Seoul, the capitol of South Korea is about 40 miles from the North Korean border. So nuclear bombs anywhere near there would wipe-out South Korea's capitol and most of the surrounding areas.

Not only that, but the nuclear fall-out would endanger millions of citizens in China next door. The Chinese might not be too happy about that & stand a good chance of retaliating against the US with nuclear bombs of their own!

No, this situation is far too complicated to just "make it all go away" with a few dozen nuclear bombs.

Please re-submit a new 'solution scenario'.
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The Western seaboard of the USA is 1400 miles long, so unless the Coastguard and Navy are constantly patrolling it listening for sonar contacts, Kim could possibly thread a single sub through the screen (running silent and deep) to deposit a nuke warhead on the seabed on a time fuse just offshore of San Francisco, L,A., San Diego etc.
Plus of course there's over another 1000 miles of coastline to protect if we include Alaska, Hawaii, Guam etc.
Wrong. We'd pick them up as soon as they leave harbor. Just like we did to the Sovs back in the good old days...
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..We'd pick them up as soon as they leave harbor. Just like we did to the Sovs back in the good old days...
But when the sub dives no satellite on earth can see underwater..
PS- the nazis landed saboteur teams on American soil from U-boats in WW2
and they hopped on a train to Manhattan, I'm surprised hollywood haven't latched on to it by now as it'd make a great story for a film..
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But when the sub dives no satellite on earth can see underwater..
PS- the nazis landed saboteur teams on American soil from U-boats in WW2
and they hopped on a train to Manhattan, I'm surprised hollywood haven't latched on to it by now as it'd make a great story for a film..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Pastorius
Who's talking about satellites? With all the tensions over Korea and with the Norks doing missile tests, I know that we have several SSN's sitting off their harbors. That's what they do. I'm sure that some of the Japanese Soryus are in the area, also. If they caught a NK sub anywhere near the US, there is a high probability that it could have a catastrophic failure and just disappear.
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Who's talking about satellites? With all the tensions over Korea and with the Norks doing missile tests, I know that we have several SSN's sitting off their harbors. That's what they do. I'm sure that some of the Japanese Soryus are in the area, also. If they caught a NK sub anywhere near the US, there is a high probability that it could have a catastrophic failure and just disappear.
Good point, but nothing is certain in war so there's always a chance that an NK sub could slip through the screen.
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Are you serious? "Forget Korea"? Just let them keep building a massive nuclear arsenal, which they've said many times will be used on the United States?

I call that advice "The Little Bo Peep strategy": 'Leave them alone, and they'll come home, a-wagging their tails behind them."

Sheer fantasy, which is guaranteed to blow up in your face.
So what do you propose? I see you oppose a war against N.Korea (or do you oppose just the idea of US dropping nukes on N.Korea but would be in favour of a conventional war - mind you, the N.Koreans might launch nuclear weapons though). So what is your solution?
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Forget Korea, that horse has left the stable.
Focus on Iran.
If you mean it's too late to stop Kim acquiring nukes, yeah he's already got them and there's nothing we can do about that, but what we can do is wipe out his nuke-producing infrastructure to stop him making any more.
In fact I'm surprised Trump hasn't done that by now, I hope he's not going soft..
As for Iran, yes they need watching but at the moment they haven't got any nuke fireworks so we've got a breathing space.
Personally I think Pakistan is a big potential danger, the current regime is friendly to the West because we're paying them big money bribes ("foreign aid") to keep them sweet, but friendly regimes have a habit of being replaced by unfriendly ones further down the line and that's when it'll hit the fan.
Pakistan is a muslim country that sheltered Bin Laden for years, so it's quite feasible that they or a future regime might "lose" a few nuke warheads which find their way into the hands of ISIS and other terror groups.
Below: Bin Laden in a Time Magazine interview in Dec 1998 responding to the question "are you trying to acquire chemical and nuclear weapons?"-

"Acquiring weapons for the defense of Muslims is a religious duty. If I have indeed acquired these weapons, then I thank Allah for enabling me to do so. And if I seek to acquire these weapons, I am carrying out a duty. It would be a sin for Muslims not to try to possess the weapons that would prevent the infidels from inflicting harm on Muslims."

My suggested solution is to stop giving NK and muslim countries reasons to hate our guts, unless AG members have got any better ideas?


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I agree.

Only way to prevent a capable nation state from obtaining nuclear weapons is to convince them they don't need nuclear weapons.

Developments of recent decades have done exactly the opposite, I fear there too it's just a matter of time.

Concentrate on overwhelming reply IF they are used.
EastFront's reply: "So, wait for the North Koreans to hit the US with one or more nuclear weapons before taking out their threat?"

"Not a good idea. We must remove the threat before it can be launched."
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