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Were there any ship to ship battles the French Navy was involved in during WW1?
Yes, sinking an Austro-Hungarian light cruiser early in the war. It was more of a squadron of French ships vs KuK CL and DD. CL sacrificed itself. Zenta was the ship.
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Yes, sinking an Austro-Hungarian light cruiser early in the war. It was more of a squadron of French ships vs KuK CL and DD. CL sacrificed itself. Zenta was the ship.
Have to admit I missed that one. Facing two Dreadnoughts and ten pre dreadnought battleships Zenta didn't have much of a chance.
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Never fight fair! The Kuk ships should have been able to outrun the French.

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Never fight fair! The Kuk ships should have been able to outrun the French.

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I doubt they could outrun a 305mm (12 inch) shell
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One purpose of British dazzle painting was to make it difficult to tell which way a ship was pointing. Some French cruisers didn't need painting for this - it was inherent in the design

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I doubt they could outrun a 305mm (12 inch) shell
Ever try to hit a cruiser or destroyer moving at flank speed with a 12 inch cannon? It is not so easy. At Leyte Gulf the IJN had fits trying to hit the DD's and DE's and they were NOT running away.

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Ever try to hit a cruiser or destroyer moving at flank speed with a 12 inch cannon? It is not so easy. At Leyte Gulf the IJN had fits trying to hit the DD's and DE's and they were NOT running away.

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One cruiser as a target, two dreadnoughts, fourteen big guns and no other targets/threats in the vicinity - easy peasy. Then add the forty or so 10 inch guns from the pre dreadnought battleships - not a problem. Be realistic!
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How much action did the French Navy see during WWI?
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I read some French DDs and RN DDs engaged German TBs near the Channel. Maybe the Evans/HMSBroke action. One of the French DDs signaled "Can go no more, boiler go bang" having taken a shell hit in the engine room. Other DDs involved in actions with Ger. TBoasts/Uboats.
USN armed yachts in the Brittany Patrol operated down the Biscayan coast and coordinated with French naval forces regarding coastal convoys.

Enough activity to warrant four volumes of their own Official History.

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How much action did the French Navy see during WWI?
Not a lot. The Dardanelles landing seem one of the more significant.

It had a pretty massive submarine fleet, but with Central Powers blockaded and no trade by sea, there wasn't a lot to do. (Had France been in a war with Germany, not UK and RN in its corner, I think we can assume the French subs would have been deployed as intended pre-war.)

Convoying to protect against German subs in the Med.

Then again, all navies (the surface ships at least) saw relatively little action in WWI. Too lopsided.
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Not a lot. The Dardanelles landing seem one of the more significant.

It had a pretty massive submarine fleet, but with Central Powers blockaded and no trade by sea, there wasn't a lot to do. (Had France been in a war with Germany, not UK and RN in its corner, I think we can assume the French subs would have been deployed as intended pre-war.)

Convoying to protect against German subs in the Med.

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It did do quite a lot of shore bombardment - the Dardanelles forts, KuK positions in the Balkans, Ottoman positions in the Eastern Med etc and the Central Powers did fire back sometimes with some effect. It was involved in blockading KUK and Ottoman ports, often providing the heavy back up to lighter ships operating closer inshore, this made them good targets for U boats and a number of ships were torpedoed. A lot of anti sub work, some quite innovative involving aircraft from sea plane carriers and towed balloons, this latter kept the U boats submerged often below periscope depth in daylight hours and reduced their effectiveness. They weren't idle but as I said in an earlier post there wasn't much opportunity for surface ship to surface ship action.

French submarine doctrine was tied to the Fleet Submarine Concept (hence the significant number of steam powered subs) with the boats taking up position ahead of the main fleet to ambush enemy battleships hence the submarine force was not well equipped or trained for a Guerre de commerce. In the Med all German and KuK flagged shipping had either been captured or was penned up in port within a month of hostilities breaking out anyway. The French did make a number of attempts to reach the Sea of Marmora by sub but unlike the RN and the RAN were singularly unsuccessful. Likewise attempts to penetrate KuK port areas led to groundings and capture or destruction.
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It seem the French Navy didn't see much action in either World War.
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It seem the French Navy didn't see much action in either World War.
In WWI it did what was asked of it. It's roles as agreed with the RN years before, would be to patrol the Mediterranean, deny it to the Austrian fleet, and escort allied shipping through it. There was really nothing for it to fight.

The Italian fleet also did its part, even though most of the heavy units seldom left port and had not practised gunnery until late in the war, although the light units did very well.
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In WWI it did what was asked of it. It's roles as agreed with the RN years before, would be to patrol the Mediterranean, deny it to the Austrian fleet, and escort allied shipping through it. There was really nothing for it to fight.

The Italian fleet also did its part, even though most of the heavy units seldom left port and had not practised gunnery until late in the war, although the light units did very well.
Archived RN signals suggest that the senior RN command in the Med was rather happier with the Italian heavy ships staying in port than going to sea as the ship handling and ability to manoeuvre as a fleet was somewhat lacking and they feared another HMS Victoria and HMS Camperdown style collision
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