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The Dyatlov Pass Mystery

A book I keep coming back to is this one, it's a genuine unsolved true-life mystery about 9 Russian hikers who disappeared on a winter camping trip into the Ural Mountains in 1959.
Searchers eventually found thir tent with slash marks on it as if they'd slashed their way out in a hurry, (or something had tried to slash its way in), and their battered frozen semi-naked bodies were found in the snow up to a mile away.
If AG members want to have a crack at solving the mystery, float your guesses and theories here, and also check out youtube vids which have generated loads of comments.
(PS- beware the 2013 film called "Devil's Pass" which claims to be based on the Dyatlov incident, but it's pure fictional nonsense)




The slashed tent-

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The simplest and least fantastical explanation I heard was that they had a problem with the stove they had brought along to keep their tent heated; that the tent filled with smoke during the night and under the impression that the tent was on fire they cut through the tent and fled with whatever they were wearing; they then got disoriented in the dark and separated, eventually freezing to death in small groups in various places.
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The simplest and least fantastical explanation I heard was that they had a problem with the stove they had brought along to keep their tent heated; that the tent filled with smoke during the night and under the impression that the tent was on fire they cut through the tent and fled with whatever they were wearing; they then got disoriented in the dark and separated, eventually freezing to death in small groups in various places.
Yeah good theory, the fumes from the stove could also have made them woozy and unable to think straight so they slashed their way out in a blind panic to get into the fresh air and ran down the slope to the woods partially-clothed. Some of them scooped out a snow-hole for shelter when their heads cleared and even built a fire, but the cold still killed them.
It was pitch-black night so maybe they thought they'd better stay put as they'd never find the tent up on the slope.
But two bodies were found halfway back to the tent, so those two at least gave it a try.
But regardless of all that, nobody can explain why nearly all nine bodies had injuries, including some broken bones and a fractured skull, and why one of the two women had a missing tongue..
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But regardless of all that, nobody can explain why nearly all nine bodies had injuries, including some broken bones and a fractured skull, and why one of the two women had a missing tongue..
I don't recall reading that all nine had injuries, just those two or three who had been found at the bottom of a rocky gully; the surmise being that they had fallen into the gully which was several meters deep and landed on the rocks below.
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It would be interesting to know what they had eaten in that last meal, Rye bread with some mould on it? Ergot poisoning would explain a lot.
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I don't recall reading that all nine had injuries, just those two or three who had been found at the bottom of a rocky gully; the surmise being that they had fallen into the gully which was several meters deep and landed on the rocks below.
Here's the wiki on the incident which details the events, investigation and theories. According to it, only a minority of the victims suffered physical injuries. Most succumbed to hypothermia.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatlov_Pass_incident
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I love this mystery in the snow.

https://m.thevintagenews.com/2016/10...devon-england/

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Here's the wiki on the incident which details the events, investigation and theories. According to it, only a minority of the victims suffered physical injuries. Most succumbed to hypothermia.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatlov_Pass_incident
For a real in-depth investigation the book I mentioned in my starter post (Mountain of the Dead) takes some beating because there are enough clues in it for me to form this theory, namely they were murdered!
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Clue 1- On their way to the mountain the Dyatlov group had a fight with a guy at Serov railway station who accused them of stealing his wallet, which gives a motive.
He and his pals then followed the group to get his wallet back.
Clue 2-The group must have realised they were being followed which would explain why they ended up camping 9 miles off course in an attempt to throw them off their trail.
Clue 3- When searchers eventually found the tent and bodies, there was a ski pole there that didn't belong to any of the Dyatlov group, proving that somebody else had been there.
So we can speculate that the guy and his pals arrived at the tent and began demanding that they give him his wallet back, but the Dyatlov group wouldn't come out, so the guy and his pals began slashing the tent in fury. The group came out and a battle began.
Clue 4- The autopsy found that several of the Dyatlov group had bruised knuckles, but presumably the guy and his pals were better armed (baseball bats) which would explain the fractures on some of the Dyatlov groups bodies.
The Dyatlovs ran down to the trees to escape the onslaught and froze to death.
Clue 5 - the searchers found items of clothing strewn around the tent, possibly because the guy and his pals ransacked the tent looking for his wallet.
Interestingly, it happened in 1959 so it's conceivable that some of the murderers are now in their 70's and 80's and still alive.
The guy who claimed they'd stolen his wallet had complained to the police back in Serov but apparently it was just his word against the Dyatlovs and it blew over. I wonder if the guy's name is still in a surviving police report?

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I love this mystery in the snow.

https://m.thevintagenews.com/2016/10...devon-england/

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Yeah Devon is an odd county, it's probably because spooky evil satanic Dartmoor is smack in the middle of it, and assorted demons come down to run around the local villages.
I live in an old cobbled street in Plymouth and there are reputed to be no less than 6 ghosts haunting houses up and down the street but I've never seen one yet..
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