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A net of steel spikes designed to stop vehicles being used in terror attacks has been unveiled by police.
Nets of caltrops were used in the Wars of the Roses to block streets (eg at St Albans), individual caltrops could be swept clear but tie them together in a net this would be difficult. Today I guess that the stinger doesn't always bring the vehicle to a halt.

What's next? Replace the truncheon with a mace?

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Both commerce and industry have already turned their attention to similar methods.

And as you can probably imagine it's a booming market.



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the Brits come up with a lot of inventive ideas--I like it

it says one of many measures.....these are defensive....can there be any offensive measures?
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Well if you can locate the vehicle before the attack there are options,



Not all of them are that stupid obviously, normally the first and only warning you'll get is when a Muslim looking terrorist type tries to rent a sizeable vehicle, thus securing likely targets is just good tactics.
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I well remember the Yorkshire miners using proper caltrops agin Thatcher's mounted host during the Miner's Strike.

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Well if you can locate the vehicle before the attack there are options,



Not all of them are that stupid obviously, normally the first and only warning you'll get is when a Muslim looking terrorist type tries to rent a sizeable vehicle, thus securing likely targets is just good tactics.
I see a lot of the recent vehicle attacks are by driving through the crowd, instead of an Oklahoma bomb type which did much damage/killing
I guess because it's much easier and faster to put into operation
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Apart from stopping terrorist vehicles, the spiked nets could also be used to stop fleeing criminal drivers, because at the moment the cops make themselves look anateurish by doing silly keystone kops-type chases for mile after mile after mile (yawn) which endanger innocent motorists and pedestrians.
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Apart from stopping terrorist vehicles, the spiked nets could also be used to stop fleeing criminal drivers, because at the moment the cops make themselves look anateurish by doing silly keystone kops-type chases for mile after mile after mile (yawn) which endanger innocent motorists and pedestrians.
Not if they can deploy a stinger which they already use and have done for many years - but this and the nets can only be used if you know where the car is going and can arrange for someone up a head to deploy the device.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spike_strip

The problem with the stinger is that a large vehicle passing over one at speed does not stop but converts from a badly driven missile into a completely unguided and unpredictable one. The net (now being called a super stinger) not only shreds the tyres but wraps itself around the wheels quickly bringing the vehicle to a halt.
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Here I was hoping they'd bring back the rack, or iron maiden, or some other means of giving terrorists the what for...
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This method of execution was used in 18th-century North America following slave revolts. It was once used in New York after several British citizens were killed during a slave rebellion in 1712. Between 1730 and 1754, 11 slaves in French-controlled Louisiana, who had revolted against their masters, were killed on the wheel.[1


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Well if you can locate the vehicle before the attack there are options,



Not all of them are that stupid obviously, normally the first and only warning you'll get is when a Muslim looking terrorist type tries to rent a sizeable vehicle, thus securing likely targets is just good tactics.
... the medieval weapon OP, if located before the attack you can simply:



Real big, truck mounted, sling shot.
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When i read the title of topic i thought this was going to be used again
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I guess because it's much easier and faster to put into operation
Obviously yes, guns, ammo and explosives (or even ingredients to make them) are relatively expensive and increasingly hard to come by, rented cars are still readily available, in London they used ceramic knives I believe.

This "bottom scale" terrorism is of course much harder to tackle preventively, since there's often little indication that something is going to happen.

Informants inside the Muslim community are being invested in, but they don't pay back overnight, and obviously private car rental services should pay attention when a suspicious Muslim tries to rent a truck without good reason.
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