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More likely Metallic Hydrogen than diamonds. Diamonds are so 19th century...
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Was exploring the "New World" worth it to the Spanish?
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Was exploring the "New World" worth it to the Spanish?
For the Spanish - no - importing all that gold from the New World inflated their economy and ruined domestic industries. For France and Britain who imported useful stuff like furs and timber - yes

Gaining knowledge is always potentially valuable - depending on how you make use of it.
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Gaining knowledge is always potentially valuable - depending on how you make use of it.
Knowledge is priceless. Especially when it is benevolent and shared with all of humanity.

When I was a kid, the planets were fuzzy blobs on film from a ground based telescope. Now we have detailed pics of all the "planets" including Pluto/Charon. And Voyager is at the Heliopause that was theory many many decades ago in astrophysics. This is really an exciting time in human history!


Finding out about "Our" place in the universe, is much like finding "ones" place in the universe...
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Knowledge is priceless. Especially when it is benevolent and shared with all of humanity.

When I was a kid, the planets were fuzzy blobs on film from a ground based telescope. Now we have detailed pics of all the "planets" including Pluto/Charon. And Voyager is at the Heliopause that was theory many many decades ago in astrophysics. This is really an exciting time in human history!


Finding out about "Our" place in the universe, is much like finding "ones" place in the universe...
Still depends on how knowledge is used. In ancient times priesthoods all over the world who used their astronomical knowledge to devise calendars etc used this for power. Only they could predict when the spring would come and and therefore the optimum time to start planting crops, when the annual rains/floods would occur etc. It allowed them to impose often far from benign rule over others
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Still depends on how knowledge is used. In ancient times priesthoods all over the world who used their astronomical knowledge to devise calendars etc used this for power. Only they could predict when the spring would come and and therefore the optimum time to start planting crops, when the annual rains/floods would occur etc. It allowed them to impose often far from benign rule over others
Haven't done much "farming" have you?

Nature rarely follows the human calendar. Locally here our Spring this year didn't match the calendar and weather conditions for planting our garden was a few weeks later than last year. Actually we had a near "on time" short period that seemed to be Spring only to be followed by a few more weeks of "Winter". Most "farmers" go by weather trend and soil warmth than what the calendar "says".
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Haven't done much "farming" have you?

Nature rarely follows the human calendar. Locally here our Spring this year didn't match the calendar and weather conditions for planting our garden was a few weeks later than last year. Actually we had a near "on time" short period that seemed to be Spring only to be followed by a few more weeks of "Winter". Most "farmers" go by weather trend and soil warmth than what the calendar "says".
My family have farmed since at least the late 1500s but back in prehistoric times no one could measure soil temp and had no way of knowing what weather trend was.
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My family have farmed since at least the late 1500s but back in prehistoric times no one could measure soil temp and had no way of knowing what weather trend was.
So did they wait until the local "Lord" told them to plant?

Or did they go with their own experience and knowledge base that the season was now right?
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So did they wait until the local "Lord" told them to plant?

Or did they go with their own experience and knowledge base that the season was now right?
They were not in prehistoric times, back in the 16th century the local community would probably decide when to plant as with the old strip field system it was easier for every one do do it at the same time.

Even today the Farmer's Almanac still sells well as it has done since 1818 and it is based on the lunar cycle. It does caution its users to also take account of local conditions to delay or advance various farming operations by a few days if necessary but it does give timings for preparing for these based on the astronomical calendar. One should read Astronomy Across Cultures: edited by Helaine Selin to see how important ancient calendars were to farming in the days of mass illiteracy when only the preists had sufficient time to devote to astronomical observations.
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They were not in prehistoric times, back in the 16th century the local community would probably decide when to plant as with the old strip field system it was easier for every one do do it at the same time.

Even today the Farmer's Almanac still sells well as it has done since 1818 and it is based on the lunar cycle. It does caution its users to also take account of local conditions to delay or advance various farming operations by a few days if necessary but it does give timings for preparing for these based on the astronomical calendar. One should read Astronomy Across Cultures: edited by Helaine Selin to see how important ancient calendars were to farming in the days of mass illiteracy when only the preists had sufficient time to devote to astronomical observations.
Wasn't suggesting this is about "prehistorical times". Once cultures/civilizations start to keep written records or similar, we are into "historical times". Example being Sumer going back to about 3800BC if not earlier. Just because many people(farmers mostly until about two hundred years ago) were illiterate doesn't mean they were ignorant.

Reminder that in earliest times astronomy and astrology were closely linked. One interesting "conundrum" is that the civs in the pre-Columbian Americas used the same astrology as the Old world. Same division of the circle of heaven into twelve, same constellations, same names (interesting as there were no bulls or lions in the Americas back then.).

But we diverge from thread topic. Speaking of Uranus, interesting quirk is that it has an axial tilt of about 87 degrees, which has it's "south" pole nearly pointed towards the Sun, and it rotates(rolls) around its equator as it revolves about the Sun. Any probe/spacecraft from Earth, traveling along the solar ecliptic to Uranus will find an easy polar orbit insertion, but have to use a bit of energy and manuvering to go for an equatorial orbit.

BTW, Neptune and Uranus have often been refferred to as the twins, given similar size and composition so wonderin if there are also "diamonds in the sky" of Neptune.
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