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I know that a few NATO armies would be wishing that they still had all their armor that they didn't think that they'd need anymore.
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You missed the news where China said that they would defend NK if the US and SK did a preemptive strike. If NK attacks first, they would remain neutral. It sounds like they are enjoying the way that their selfmade village idiot is acting. With our huge trade with China, there's not a lot that we can really do about it.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/08...rea-first.html
So... China is saying that unless the N'orks kill a whole pile of Americans first., maybe even nuke a city, it means China going to war with America.

Basically, we have to take a chance on whole American cities being exterminated, or else China will get mad at us... even if all we are doing to trying to prevent a North Korean attack.

Sounds like a dare to me.

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Equip South Korea or Japan with nukes (or encourage them to research/develop them on their own) and watch China squirm.
That would be a perfect response ... if either nation had the guts to accept an arsenal.
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I would not expect to see anymore help than what they sent in 1950-53. I doubt the Philippines has an Armor Battalion anymore, but most of NATO should be able to send Infantry.

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Unarmoured? Against a heavily armoured opponent?

Not sure that is a wise move. It would need armour for this campaign I think, until it became an occupation. Armour takes a long time to move, especially if your lift capacity is limited, as it is for everyone apart from the US.
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China must weight the advantage of supporting NK against the harsh reality of the present economic situation in China.
South Korean auto makers and electronic companies do a lot of business in China, Samsung, Kia, Hyundai, all have products made in China.
Japan likewise has many products made in China as do many American companies.
Many nation buy raw materials from China to be used in manufacturing.
At the same time all of these companies market products in China. As we are all aware, China markets many products around the globe.
What does NK bring to the table?
China doesn't need NK. But without trade with the nations NK is constantly threatening China's economy would tank.
It comes down to the bottom line, Walmart is more important to China than NK today.
This wasn't the case 40 years ago, but it is the reality today.
Seems like a logical way to look at the things today. But is our logic the same as the Chinese? Let's hope so. Even with a United Korea under a SK government and economy they should have nothing to fear except perhaps the flood of refugees and their fanaticism.

Without NK NE Asia would be quite and peaceful.
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Unarmoured? Against a heavily armoured opponent?

Not sure that is a wise move. It would need armour for this campaign I think, until it became an occupation. Armour takes a long time to move, especially if your lift capacity is limited, as it is for everyone apart from the US.
It's the planes really, if we hear about a massive movement of A-10s then the jig is up...
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Unarmoured? Against a heavily armoured opponent?

Not sure that is a wise move. It would need armour for this campaign I think, until it became an occupation. Armour takes a long time to move, especially if your lift capacity is limited, as it is for everyone apart from the US.
The Philippine Army had a Tank Battalion that they sent. It was a lot closer to Korea than most of the other troops that were sent. Tank friendly terrain is very limited in Korea. Most of Korea is steep hills. Some are worse than others. What good would it do to ask the Germans, Belgians and Dutch to send tanks? They don't have many anymore and it takes a long time to transport them from Europe. Then, where are you going to unload them? Inchon will likely be gone. Are there facilities at Pusan that can be used? Remember we are talking about 60 ton tanks.

The Germans have Mountain Troops and Airborne that would fit in well. Who else has Mountain Troops in NATO?

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Norway, Italy and France have mountain troops .

But their number is that limited that their commitment would be irrelevant .

Besides, it is an illusion to think that Western Europe will aid the US (exception: maybe Britain ) :Americanophobia,Muslimphilia(folly ) and defeatism are ruling .

Last point : the epoch that the tank was ruling the battle field is over .


The Belgian army has no longer any tanks, Germany 225.
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The Philippine Army had a Tank Battalion that they sent. It was a lot closer to Korea than most of the other troops that were sent. Tank friendly terrain is very limited in Korea. Most of Korea is steep hills. Some are worse than others. What good would it do to ask the Germans, Belgians and Dutch to send tanks? They don't have many anymore and it takes a long time to transport them from Europe. Then, where are you going to unload them? Inchon will likely be gone. Are there facilities at Pusan that can be used? Remember we are talking about 60 ton tanks.

The Germans have Mountain Troops and Airborne that would fit in well. Who else has Mountain Troops in NATO?

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I wasn't thinking tanks, more armoured infantry, still a heavy lift. For mountainous terrain you are probably talking helicopters and special forces, which NATO probably could contribute quickly, but the US do not always welcome working with other in this space. I would think a fanatical defence of urban areas is where the main land battle would eventually be fought, hypothetically.
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The Philippine Army had a Tank Battalion that they sent. It was a lot closer to Korea than most of the other troops that were sent. Tank friendly terrain is very limited in Korea. Most of Korea is steep hills. Some are worse than others. What good would it do to ask the Germans, Belgians and Dutch to send tanks? They don't have many anymore and it takes a long time to transport them from Europe. Then, where are you going to unload them? Inchon will likely be gone. Are there facilities at Pusan that can be used? Remember we are talking about 60 ton tanks.

The Germans have Mountain Troops and Airborne that would fit in well. Who else has Mountain Troops in NATO?

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Italy, Norway, France in fact. We have the 10th Mtn but imo that is in name only. The four from NATO train in mountains and are stationed in mountains.

The German deployments to East Africa, Yugoslavia and Afghanistan have not really been that impressive.
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It is unlikely that SK would want even one suare km from NK .
I think they would be very interested in enough land to put their capital out of artillery range.
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I think they would be very interested in enough land to put their capital out of artillery range.
YOU make sense. Maybe it well be catching.
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I think they would be very interested in enough land to put their capital out of artillery range.
And how will they put their capital out of range of a nuclear attack ?
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I wasn't thinking tanks, more armoured infantry, still a heavy lift. For mountainous terrain you are probably talking helicopters and special forces, which NATO probably could contribute quickly, but the US do not always welcome working with other in this space. I would think a fanatical defence of urban areas is where the main land battle would eventually be fought, hypothetically.
Total strength of the German ground forces is 60414,which is negligible for a war in Korea .
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If the US attacks North Korea then to be meaningful it would require months of preparation and moving substantially more Forces in Theatre

No sign that any such move is underway

Of course all bets are off if Kimmy attacks Guam - accidently on purpose like

Then he will be one sorry little man....
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