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There is no law against interfaith marriages in Israel. All the marriages are approved by the Church/Mosque/Temple. Don't spin it into something dishonest. Blame it on the religions, not the State. Israel will honor ANY marriage as long as you can get it done.

And I did not attack Islam, but you have to sneak in criticism of Israel whenever you can. Israel has nothing to do with Saudi Arabia's law on clothing. Is it true or not that nearly all Islamic countries ban Homosexuality? If so, why do they call themselves a "Religion of Peace" when they cannot get along with Homosexuals?

There you go, now criticize each and every one of the Muslim nations that ban Homosexuality.
There is no issue here, were just providing our views. But what is fact is that Israel does not allow interfaith marriage, otherwise the Knesset would not have had to have a vote on the issue back in 2011,

Jonathan Lis and Gili Cohen Jul 28, 2011 1:46 AM

The Knesset on Wednesday voted down a bill to allow civil marriage. The bill, sponsored by MK Nitzan Horowitz (New Movement-Meretz ), was defeated in its preliminary reading by a vote of 40-17.
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/knesset-votes...srael-1.375635


This is basic knowledge wrt Israels inhumane marriage laws very much similar to what Saudi has.

Marriages in Israel can be performed only under the auspices of the religious community to which couples belong, and no religious intermarriages can be performed legally in Israel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_Israel

There are interfaith couples in Israel and Saudi Arabia.. There are rich American and British couples in Saudi Arabia working in Riyadh.The difference between Saudi and Israel is that Saudis cant really inter date or marry although certainly that is occurring behind closed doors. I want to again remind I respect the Israeli and Saudi people and there is nothing wrong with criticizing the gov policies of any nation. The issue itt is how a select few are blaming Islam, look at all the Donald Trump threads where Trumpsters constantly bring up Obama, Im bringing up a valid subject into this thread like how Trumpsters bring up Obama in Trump threads as a means of comparison. The issue is that Bwaha is blaming Islam on the gov policies of Saudi Arabia, like in the Obama Trump threads its important to be critical of two wrong not just one wrong. All the wars and violence between Israels and Palestinians is due to the Israeli and Palestinian gov views on interfaith marriage along with bigoted elders and parents on both sides telling their kids to marry your own.

Its already been shown gay folks can walk around peacefully in Turkey. Unlike anti Muslims who conflate the Saudi gov with all Muslims, of course I know that many Zionists of Israel agree that interfaith marriage should be allowed and agree its wrong to demonize Islam like Bwaha did. Im on your side here, the issue is those who oppose all Muslims because of the gov policies of Saudi Arabia which has support from the USA.
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There is no issue here, were just providing our views. But what is fact is that Israel does not allow interfaith marriage, otherwise the Knesset would not have had to have a vote on the issue back in 2011,

Jonathan Lis and Gili Cohen Jul 28, 2011 1:46 AM

The Knesset on Wednesday voted down a bill to allow civil marriage. The bill, sponsored by MK Nitzan Horowitz (New Movement-Meretz ), was defeated in its preliminary reading by a vote of 40-17.
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/knesset-votes...srael-1.375635


This is basic knowledge wrt Israels inhumane marriage laws very much similar to what Saudi has.

Marriages in Israel can be performed only under the auspices of the religious community to which couples belong, and no religious intermarriages can be performed legally in Israel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_Israel

There are interfaith couples in Israel and Saudi Arabia.. There are rich American and British couples in Saudi Arabia working in Riyadh.The difference between Saudi and Israel is that Saudis cant really inter date or marry although certainly that is occurring behind closed doors. I want to again remind I respect the Israeli and Saudi people and there is nothing wrong with criticizing the gov policies of any nation. The issue itt is how a select few are blaming Islam, look at all the Donald Trump threads where Trumpsters constantly bring up Obama, Im bringing up a valid subject into this thread like how Trumpsters bring up Obama in Trump threads as a means of comparison. The issue is that Bwaha is blaming Islam on the gov policies of Saudi Arabia, like in the Obama Trump threads its important to be critical of two wrong not just one wrong. All the wars and violence between Israels and Palestinians is due to the Israeli and Palestinian gov views on interfaith marriage along with bigoted elders and parents on both sides telling their kids to marry your own.

Its already been shown gay folks can walk around peacefully in Turkey. Unlike anti Muslims who conflate the Saudi gov with all Muslims, of course I know that many Zionists of Israel agree that interfaith marriage should be allowed and agree its wrong to demonize Islam like Bwaha did. Im on your side here, the issue is those who oppose all Muslims because of the gov policies of Saudi Arabia which has support from the USA.
1) Your own article says that marriages are performed only under the auspices of the Religious Communities, so it agrees with my point that it has NOTHING to do with the STATE OF ISRAEL banning it, but has everything to do with THE RELIGIONS. The State of Israel has no active part or interference with interfaith or gay marriages - it marries no one. To blame the State of Israel, rather than the three main religions is intellectually dishonest.

When the State of Israel was formed, their founders and framers wanted nothing to do with marriage. With the religious turmoil, then and now, it is perhaps a wise thing. Just because one cannot get married legally is not the same as being illegally married. Don't blame the State, rather pressure the religious leaders.

Your idea that the State can automatically make everything equal is not based on reality of the precarious political atmosphere that the Israeli government has to keep in balance, in order to maintain domestic peace among all her people so that national stability remains intact.

2) So what Homosexuals can walk around in Turkey? You can do do that in Albania also. That does not absolve the other 55 Islamic counties from prosecuting Homosexuals, many of them with capital punishment.
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Thats laughable^. Im not sure if you expect folks to take that serious...I laughed when I first read this.. See here no where did I mention your name but I did provide a viewpoint and you can deal with the viewpoint how ever you want. Addressing the points instead of providing your personal opinion on my character would be welcomed.

And nowhere did I mention your name either…so what?

For the record, do you "stand by Israel" and if so explain why? Why stand by a country gov which practices inhumane laws, or is it just the inhumane laws in Saudi you criticize? Im critical of both the laws of Saudi and Israel.
Yes I “"stand by Israel"” because they are the only democracy in the Middle East, they are the only Western nation in the Middle East, and they are the only country that is receptive and supportive of civilized ideals in the Middle East.
As an aside you will find that I did not judge Saudi Arabia on their state dictated clothing requirement or anything else so please do not put words (or misstatements) in my mouth.
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Turkey allows interfaith marriage , Israel does not.
You can get an interfaith civil marriage in Israel. You can't get a religious one. That's all. The Israeli state will recognise your marriage, the religious authorities won't, that's the only difference.
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You can get an interfaith civil marriage in Israel. You can't get a religious one. That's all. The Israeli state will recognise your marriage, the religious authorities won't, that's the only difference.
A situation that exists in a great many countries around the world. In the UK the registry office doesn't give a damn what your or your partner's religion is or even if you have one - even those who worship the eternal Dawkins are welcome. You just have to be both over the legal age of consent is all. Try and get married in your Church, mosque, Temple, Synagogue etc and it may be a different situation.
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