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Honored European men on Islam

These two European men honored and loved by so many around the world....especially Voltaire.... did not toe the ugly Anti Muslim line nor did they use the terms such as radical Muslim, radical Christianity, etc. As an admirer of the European history I can not help but take interest in what European men of the past ages have said of non Europeans. The ugly anti religious viewpoints from the likes of David Horowitz, Robert Spencer, Jihad watch, Rebel media, and some other anti Muslim cites have betrayed European Christian values in favor of something quite ugly.... If men such as Alexander the Great, or admired non Europeans such as Confucius, or Sun Tzu was around today they would stand side by side with Muhammad.... Take your pick ladies and gentlemen you can have horowitz influence you or, or perhaps you can have European men like Voltaire or Henri de Boulainvilliers....I for one have been won over by the ideals of freedom, enlightenment, and greatness that we see from the three religions of Abraham and from great leaders of history such as David, Jesus and Muhammad up to the French and American revolutionaries...




Voltaire

Once a critic of Islam, Voltaire went on to become a defender of Muhammad saying that Muhammad, Confucius, and Zoroaster were the greatest lawmakers of the world.



http://mercyprophet.org/mul/node/1640

Henri de Boulainvilliers

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Henri de Boulainvilliers, Count of Saint-Saire (1658-1722), was an important French historian and writer. In 1728, he wrote La Vie de Mahomet, one of the most fascinating accounts of the life of the Prophet to be written that early in the west. Boulainvilliers describes Muhammad as "an enlightened and wise lawgiver."


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If men such as Voltaire was around today and leading the charge in Europe...ISIL and ISIL like groups would have been destroyed the moment they got semi popular....glorious banners of Muhammad would be lifted in Iraq and Syria, men and women would be more free and could dress as they want.
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Turkish and Iranian/Persian history very much similar to European History

Many Muslims of history mimicked European Catholics in respecting portraits of Holy men. To this day in Iran one can note depictions of Muhammad. This is an important historical fact to show that Muslims are not robots. Its a intolerant Muslim type view that would have the unaware viewer agree with points such as that a Muslim women can not marry a Christian man, that its outlawed in Islam to show a portrait of Muhammad or depict Muhammad in film.



Its important for the so called western world to hear about Muslims of the 20th century whom wore suits and dresses, drank whine, played music. And to also hear of the exotic and beautiful history of Persian Muslims. What is on the line after all is not just the history of Muslims but also Roman history, currently protected by Muslims in Syria.. To this day in Syria many Muslim men and women are influenced by European dress style but from anti Muslim sites we only see big bearded Muslims shouting things, or immigrant criminal Muslim stories. Those whom have come out against Catholics what do they say to the Latin Catholics whom led the Crusades and whom built nations? Those whom come out against Muslims what do they say to Muslims whom built nations? One can see that throughout history Muslims and Christians have fought bitterly against each other, but their also have been gentlemanly agreements between the two sides,




The portrait, ^ Drawn by Édouard Dubufe the 19th century French painter...depicts the Treaty of Paris and shows the Ottomans and Europeans dressed and appearing in a gentlemen like fashion. To this day Turkey, the successor state to the Ottoman Empire, was founded by a man in Ataturk whom wore not religious attire but rather a suit. Ataturk to this day is admired worldwide for instituting so called western reforms like allowing civil marriage in Turkey in 1926. At least wrt Turkey one can note a nation which admires its history as does America albeit both have their dark moments just as any nation...not all Muslim nations and certainly not all Christian nations have the success of the USA and Turkey. A # of Christian majority countries in South America and Africa struggle mightily and are not able to afford new monuments or buildings or even have difficulties maintaining historic monuments on their own. Turkey is a bastion of greatness, for its history and people like how America is a bastion of greatness for its history and people.
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Are these pics not of Ali, Hussain and other shia imams ?
which one is Muhammad ?
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Are these pics not of Ali, Hussain and other shia imams ?
which one is Muhammad ?
They are depictions of Muhammad from Iran,

Islam's prophet Muhammad ibn Abd Allah. ... While some Muslims hold beliefs that it is against Islam to make images of the Prophet, others have more relaxed attitudes, and among Shia Muslims, such pictures are common, and much liked. According to Iranian informants interviewed by Ingvild Flaskerud, such portraits should not be considered "real" portraits of the prophet Muhammad. The artists make these images on the basis of conventional ideas of the character of those personages depicted, in the same way it has been done with Biblical figures in European art. The text below the image is the shahada or Profession of faith: "There is no god but Allah, Muhammad is His messenger."

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These icons of Mohammed rocketed to momentary fame in early 2006 when at the height of the uproar over the "cartoon crisis" the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten linked to the previously obscure University of Bergen site to prove that Muslims themselves often depict Mohammed, debunking the trumped-up claim that there is a universal taboo against such representations. The article at Jyllands-Posten was, however, subsequently deleted, although the Bergen source page remains online to this day.


http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_i...lamic_mo_full/

I wanted to further state those ugly sights we see from Yemen of many women totally covering up is influenced by 1st Century Byzantine dress of women...nowhere in Islam does it suggest to women to totally cover up. Its in many of the portraits of Muhammad from the middle ages that depict women showing their faces even their hair..portraits commissioned by Muslims for Muslims...showing us a world that perhaps the anti Muslim and ISIL Muslim do not want anyone to discuss. While today many women in Syria, Jordan and Lebanon are free and dress in a European fashion style the same can not be said for Yemen. The streets of Yemen are filled with only men and the women whom do come out are mostly covered up completely. Though their remains a traditional Yemeni population that respects its true values and is fighting back against intolerance and non Islamic non Yemeni dress styles. If one goes back to 1960s Yemen you can find women in Jeans. Here are the types of Yemeni people that share values with European people....these kids who stand up to a bigoted Muslim who tries to tell a young girl to cover up... these Yemeni kids who clearly have been raised by responsible Yemeni adults. This is an important sight to see because it clarifies what was already known to many but not all, that their are Yemeni Muslims who respect the same values as do American Christians.

https://youtu.be/PAkPFZQA6EM
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They are depictions of Muhammad from Iran,

Islam's prophet Muhammad ibn Abd Allah. ... While some Muslims hold beliefs that it is against Islam to make images of the Prophet, others have more relaxed attitudes, and among Shia Muslims, such pictures are common, and much liked. According to Iranian informants interviewed by Ingvild Flaskerud, such portraits should not be considered "real" portraits of the prophet Muhammad. The artists make these images on the basis of conventional ideas of the character of those personages depicted, in the same way it has been done with Biblical figures in European art. The text below the image is the shahada or Profession of faith: "There is no god but Allah, Muhammad is His messenger."

...

These icons of Mohammed rocketed to momentary fame in early 2006 when at the height of the uproar over the "cartoon crisis" the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten linked to the previously obscure University of Bergen site to prove that Muslims themselves often depict Mohammed, debunking the trumped-up claim that there is a universal taboo against such representations. The article at Jyllands-Posten was, however, subsequently deleted, although the Bergen source page remains online to this day.


http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_i...lamic_mo_full/

I wanted to further state those ugly sights we see from Yemen of many women totally covering up is influenced by 1st Century Byzantine dress of women...nowhere in Islam does it suggest to women to totally cover up. Its in many of the portraits of Muhammad from the middle ages that depict women showing their faces even their hair..portraits commissioned by Muslims for Muslims...showing us a world that perhaps the anti Muslim and ISIL Muslim do not want anyone to discuss. While today many women in Syria, Jordan and Lebanon are free and dress in a European fashion style the same can not be said for Yemen. The streets of Yemen are filled with only men and the women whom do come out are mostly covered up completely. Though their remains a traditional Yemeni population that respects its true values and is fighting back against intolerance and non Islamic non Yemeni dress styles. If one goes back to 1960s Yemen you can find women in Jeans. Here are the types of Yemeni people that share values with European people....these kids who stand up to a bigoted Muslim who tries to tell a young girl to cover up... these Yemeni kids who clearly have been raised by responsible Yemeni adults. This is an important sight to see because it clarifies what was already known to many but not all, that their are Yemeni Muslims who respect the same values as do American Christians.

https://youtu.be/PAkPFZQA6EM
dude with the sword and next to the lion is not Muhammad and most likely Ali ..Haider ay karar as the shia call him
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dude with the sword and next to the lion is not Muhammad and most likely Ali ..Haider ay karar as the shia call him
That is also what I felt to be the case..though their are numerous sources saying otherwise on the link I provided. Though either way we can see that Iranian/Persian people have a very interesting history and one that to this day is alive. Compare Saudi Arabia to Iran can you name any great Arab leaders whom built nations other then Muhammad? When it comes to the Persians I think of Zoroaster and Cyrus and Great. It seems here in the so called west Persian culture is more celebrated and more known then is Arab culture...think of mega popular films like 300 do we have an Arab 300?
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That is also what I felt to be the case..though their are numerous sources saying otherwise on the link I provided. Though either way we can see that Iranian/Persian people have a very interesting history and one that to this day is alive. Compare Saudi Arabia to Iran can you name any great Arab leaders whom built nations other then Muhammad? When it comes to the Persians I think of Zoroaster and Cyrus and Great. It seems here in the so called west Persian culture is more celebrated and more known then is Arab culture...think of mega popular films like 300 do we have an Arab 300?
Muawiyah I
Abdul malik b marwan
Harun rashid
Walid I
To name a few big arab rulers
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