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A month ago the Kiev city council approved plans to rename one of Kiev's main streets from honouring General Nikolai Vatutin who helped liberate Kiev from the Nazis to honouring Roman Shukhevych, a Ukrainian national who collaborated with the Germans, commanded the Nazi-organized Nachtigall Battalion, participated in the massacre of Jews in Ukraine's Vinnitsya province in July 1941, collaborated in the massacre of Jews in L'vov (according to the Simon Wiesenthal Center) and the massacre of Polish professors in the same city at the same time. In November 1941, Shuykevych was appointed hauptmann in the newly-formed German Schutzmannschaft Battalion 201 whose tasks involved "fighting partisans and killing Jews". In the summer of 1943, Shuykevych was a commander of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, when the UPA carried out massacres of between 40-80,000 Poles in Volhynia and Galicia.

The decision to rename Vatutin avenue as Shuykevych avenue was greeted with cheers and cries of "Glory to Ukraine" in the Kiev city hall, while the director of the Ukrainian-Jewish Committee, Eduard Dolinsky, called it a "day of national shame", stating "Is it possible to measure the depth of the moral failing here? It is not easy, as there are times when the moral failing is so pronounced it cannot be measured".
https://strana.ua/news/73921--den-na...a-v-kieve.html

Now, not to be outdone, local authorities in L'vov, including the L'vov City Council cultural administration, have organised a "Shuykefest" - complete with music, sports competitions, cultural events and even special events for children. Not without significance, they have decided to hold the festival on the exact dates of the 76th anniversary of the L'vov pogrom of Ukrainian and Polish Jews. Needless to say, members of the Ukrainian-Jewish community are outraged.
http://city-adm.lviv.ua/news/society...shukhevychfest
https://strana.ua/opinions/78381-vo-...-pogromov.html

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Wow, what a disgusting and despicable chain of events.
It shows an inherent bigotry in Ukrainian society.
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Not to be outdone, now the city of Poltava in western Ukraine has renamed one of its streets after Shuykevich as well, while Kiev has decided to host its own Shuykefest on the now renamed Shuykevych avenue.

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Wow wanting this sort of thing join the EU and NATO and antagonising Moscow in the process is so worth it.
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A leader of Ukrainian Jews accused the head of the country’s security service of targeting Jews and legitimizing a militia that killed Jews in the 1940s.
Eduard Dolinsky, the director of the Ukrainian Jewish Committee, made the accusation on Facebook against Valentyn Nalyvaichenko, head of the Security Service of Ukraine, the news website evreiskiy.kiev.ua reported, after Nalyvaichenko said his organization needed to base its work on the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, or UPA, which murdered thousands of Jews in the ’40s.
“Instead of creating a modern, high-tech security service, Nalyvaichenko proposes the revival of highly questionable methods from 80 years ago,” Dolinsky wrote, noting this seems to include the “attitudes and actions of UPA against the Jews and the Poles.” According to Yad Vashem, UPA under Stephan Bandera “considered the Soviets and the Jews their main enemies.”


Earlier this month, the Ukrainian Parliament passed a bill that opened the door to state recognition of UPA, previously a taboo because of the widespread war crimes committed by its troops.
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That's why, even though I'm of Ukrainian descent, I had absolutely no feeling for the Ukrainians in the whole Crimea event. Russia was in the wrong, but as bad as the Ukrainians were, they got no sympathy. I'm sure that they would've done the same thing if they were in a position to do so.
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It's Ukraine. That ugly mix of nationalism and intolerance is only a horrifying symptom of how rotten the whole thing has been - and long before Crimea, Donbass or the revolution.
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Apparently some participants at the Shuykhefest got a little too excited and ended up throwing a molotov cocktail at the L'vov synagogue. Others spray painted "Down with Jewish power" and "Jews: remember 1 July" (a reference to the 1941 pogrom) on the side of a former Jewish building.

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According to Volodymyr Vyatrovych, a historian specializing in UPA, Natalia Shukhevych, Roman Shukhevych's wife, sheltered a Jewish girl, Irene Reichenberg (or Reisinberg, Reitenberg), the daughter of a neighbor from September 1942 until February 1943. According to Yuri Shukhevych, at the beginning of World War II their family lived in Lviv on Queen Yadvyga Street, where their neighbors, Wolf and Ruzha Reichenberg owned a textile shop. The elder daughter, Irma Reichenberg, was shot by the Nazis in the street in 1942. Her younger sister Irene lived with Shukhevych family for a certain period of time while preparing for school.

Roman Shukhevych used his connections to provide the girl with new documents in the Ukrainian name of Iryna Vasylivna Ryzhko. The girl's actual birth year was changed from 1936 to 1937. In her new documents "Iryna" was listed as the daughter of a Red Army officer killed early in the war.

After the arrest of Natalia Shukhevych in 1943 by the Gestapo, Roman Shukhevych took Irene to the orphan shelter at the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Convent of Vasilianky in the village of Phylypove, near the township of Kulykiv in 30 kilometres from Lviv, where Irene remained until the end of World War II surviving the German occupation and Holocaust.[63][64] In 1956 Irene sent a letter with her picture to the prioress of the monastery. After the war Irene remained in Ukraine and died in 2007 in Kiev, age 72. Her son Vladimir lives in Kiev. Yuri Shukhevych met with him after his mother's death. The Reichenberg family is mentioned in the list of victims of the Nazis at the Yad Vashem memorial in Israel.[citation needed]

According to Ukrainian historian and former UPA soldier Lev Shankovsky, immediately upon assuming the position of commander of UPA Shukhevych issued an order banning participation in anti-Jewish activities. No written record of this order, however, has been found.
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Vyatrovych has long been accused of writing revisionist history and has been accused by a number of Western historians of ignoring established historical facts, citing falsified stories and engaging in deliberate obfuscation.

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In Ukraine, as the country struggles with its identity, that’s doubly true. While Ukrainian political parties try to push the country toward Europe or Russia, a young, rising Ukrainian historian named Volodymyr Viatrovych has placed himself at the center of that fight. Advocating a nationalist, revisionist history that glorifies the country’s move to independence — and purges bloody and opportunistic chapters — Viatrovych has attempted to redraft the country’s modern history to whitewash Ukrainian nationalist groups’ involvement in the Holocaust and mass ethnic cleansing of Poles during World War II. And right now, he’s winning.

Viatrovych has dismissed historical events not comporting with this narrative as “Soviet propaganda.” In his 2006 book, The OUN’s Position Towards the Jews: Formulation of a position against the backdrop of a catastrophe, he attempted to exonerate the OUN from its collaboration in the Holocaust by ignoring the overwhelming mass of historical literature. The book was widely panned by Western historians. University of Alberta professor John-Paul Himka, one of the leading scholars of Ukrainian history for three decades, described it as “employing a series of dubious procedures: rejecting sources that compromise the OUN, accepting uncritically censored sources emanating from émigré OUN circles, failing to recognize anti-Semitism in OUN texts.”

Even more worrisome for the future integrity of Ukraine’s archives under Viatrovych is his notoriety among Western historians for his willingness to allegedly ignore or even falsify historical documents. “Scholars on his staff publish document collections that are falsified,” said Jeffrey Burds, a professor of Russian and Soviet history at Northeastern University.“ I know this because I have seen the originals, made copies, and have compared their transcriptions to the originals.”

Burds described an 898-page book of transcribed documents produced by one of Viatrovych’s colleagues, which Viatrovych uses to support his claim that he will release anything from Ukraine’s archives for review by researchers. Burds, however, described this as a “monument to cleansing and falsifying with words, sentences, entire paragraphs removed. What was removed?” Burds continued. “Anything criticizing Ukrainian nationalism, expressions of dislike and conflict within the OUN/UPA leadership, sections where the respondents cooperated and gave evidence against other nationalists, records of atrocities.”

Burds’s experience was not unusual. I corresponded with and interviewed numerous historians for this article, and their grievances against Viatrovych were remarkably consistent: ignored established historical facts, falsified and sanitized documents, and restricted access to SBU archives under his watch.
“I have had trouble working in the Security Service of Ukraine Archive when Viatrovych was in charge of it,” said Marco Carynnyk, a Ukrainian-Canadian émigré and longtime independent researcher on 20th century Ukrainian history. “I also have evidence that Viatrovych falsified the historical record in his own publications and then found excuses not to let me see records that might expose that.”
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Ah, US Senator John McCain's Ukrainian favourites! You know, that US Senator who called Hungary's democratically elected prime minister "a Fascist dictator who is going to bed with Putin" a few months later.

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https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/05/02...yr-viatrovych/
Thanks Skoblin, good counterbalance to the Wiki page.
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Fascinating.

Still fighting this fight. Keeping calling Ukrainians fascist therefore Putin's thuggery isn't that bad and maybe we it will help us forget the annexation of foreign territory.
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Still fighting this fight. Keeping calling Ukrainians fascist therefore Putin's thuggery isn't that bad and maybe we it will help us forget the annexation of foreign territory.
They should be considered separate issues, but they never will. One will always be used to justify the other by the faithful. It's human nature, but as long as one side is presented as worse - and between the Russians and Ukrainians, there is a lot to be judgmental on - then one has a ready-made excuse for ones own behavior. This isn't unique to the region at all, either. It's as old as moral justification itself.
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According to Volodymyr Vyatrovych, a historian specializing in UPA, Natalia Shukhevych, Roman Shukhevych's wife, sheltered a Jewish girl, Irene Reichenberg (or Reisinberg, Reitenberg), the daughter of a neighbor from September 1942 until February 1943;
I'm pretty sure you can find some stories about Nazi Party members. Regardless of Shukhevich's or his family's personal attitude antisemitism was deeply rooted in the mindset of Ukrainian nationalists, and they were openly called "hostile nation" (along with Poles and Russians) in official documents of OUN with corresponding words about Jewish-Bolshevism and Moscow-Jewish yoke in nationalist propaganda.
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