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Humanitarian/Peacekeeping Missions

I'm starting to be alarmed at the number of armed forces who are tailoring their equipment and structure towards humanitarian and peacekeeping missions. While it's nice to get involved in them, they aren't a military's core function---warfighting and national defense are. Some countries are buying amphibious ships when they don't have marines. Others are getting rid of MBT's and going with LAV's. The first claim that it's for disaster relief and the second say it's to make them more agile for peacekeeping. I'm not buying it. It might be different if they had well-rounded armed forces and this was just a fraction of their procurement, but it's not. They are not making needed purchases to buy these other things, or are using it as an excuse to downsize. Your thoughts?
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Old 06 May 17, 22:40
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I think it appeals to liberal politicians: 'no more war', and a lower-cost military.

They're betting that peace will last forever.
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The problem is that without such actions failed states can result proving safe havens for some very dangerous organisations and also creating huge refugee problems. We've already got too much of both already
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Depends on the health of local law enforcement, if that has collapsed or disorganised then military involvement will have better success ensuring the supplies reach those who need it, plus add protection to the supply chain. But I assume the local authorities/government have to formally make the request first.
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a lot of political involved decisions make these ''military'' operations less ''military--more peacekeeping'' --therefore endangering servicemen's lives--Somalia and Beirut are perfect examples:
...armed groups all around, but you can't perform standard military actions against them

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I think it appeals to liberal politicians: 'no more war', and a lower-cost military.

They're betting that peace will last forever.
While conservatives favor a bloated military and more wars.

/sweeping generalizations.
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I think it appeals to liberal politicians: 'no more war', and a lower-cost military.

They're betting that peace will last forever.
No need for that
eh! AJ......with guys like you at the helm........Having done so called "peace missions" and food drops in Africa and the Middle East and places where"they" are trying to shoot you down....as far as Im concerned let them all starve as they are all efn mad........
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I'm starting to be alarmed at the number of armed forces who are tailoring their equipment and structure towards humanitarian and peacekeeping missions. While it's nice to get involved in them, they aren't a military's core function---warfighting and national defense are. Some countries are buying amphibious ships when they don't have marines. Others are getting rid of MBT's and going with LAV's. The first claim that it's for disaster relief and the second say it's to make them more agile for peacekeeping. I'm not buying it. It might be different if they had well-rounded armed forces and this was just a fraction of their procurement, but it's not. They are not making needed purchases to buy these other things, or are using it as an excuse to downsize. Your thoughts?
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I think it appeals to liberal politicians: 'no more war', and a lower-cost military.

They're betting that peace will last forever.
They'd rather just turn it over to the UN. That is how the Democrats think, out source it.
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Yes, and the problem with that is that the UN doesn't have any armed forces, except in the minds of some right-wingers. So they'll turn to the nations that have equipped themselves for humanitarian peace-keeping roles and are not necessarily equipped or trained for the necessary war fighting when things go south. And since they are the UN, the more diverse the representation, the better, further complicating command lines.
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Yes, and the problem with that is that the UN doesn't have any armed forces, except in the minds of some right-wingers. So they'll turn to the nations that have equipped themselves for humanitarian peace-keeping roles and are not necessarily equipped or trained for the necessary war fighting when things go south. And since they are the UN, the more diverse the representation, the better, further complicating command lines.
Yeah, it's always "nice" to go in "light" to show that you're there to help, but if you don't have the backup to show that you mean business, you'll end up in a world of hurt. LAV's are nice but nothing says "Don't eff with me" like a company of MBTs.
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I think it appeals to liberal politicians: 'no more war', and a lower-cost military.

They're betting that peace will last forever.
What "peace"?

Oh, I forgot...the peace enjoyed by the tag-along nations.


"Peace keeping" is not the function of militaries - it's a job for policemen, and the futile and corrupted attempts by the UN have made the phrase "peace keepers" into a joke.
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I'm starting to see why we're in trouble so often.
It's a lot harder to be a peacemaker than a peacekeeper. You also don't get to wear that cool powder blue beret and those nice armbands.
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