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Then why post a link? In any case, what "Racism" ?
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Then why post a link?
I expected people that go down the link can read.
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In any case, what "Racism" ?
Well, let me explain it to you. Typical British journalist is an ignorant idiot who creates media content for ignorant idiots. We sees a video with football fans from Kiev (which he thinks is somewhere in Russia and who cares anyway), he sees a "100% white" slogan, he knows that since the last summer stories about devilish Russian football fans are welcomed in Britain. Bingo! You probably missed all that hysteria about Russian football hooligans (personally sponsored by Putin) in British press so you can't see all the irony of this situation.
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Football fans can get out of hand no matter where they are located. The excitement of the game -- testosterone and adrenaline run rampant at times. I have no problem with 100% White in Russia or any other European country -- or 100% Negro in Ghana or Ivory Coast or any other country in sub-Saharan Africa - or 100% Oriental in Mongolia, China or other Asian lands -- -- why should that be a problem and why is that "racist". It speaks more to pride of heritage and culture than it does to racism. Can you honestly say that a football team representing Russia would be truly considered Russian if all of the players were from Iran and spoke Farsi ? What about a team playing for Ethiopia but made up of players from Norway -- would the Ethiopian people identify with such a team and call them their own? People have a desire - and a right - to be proud of their heritage and who they are -- let them do that - no matter their color or racial DNA
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You don't need to watch it:

Strangely enough they changed that banner to read "racism in Ukraine" now.

You'd think they read your posts or someone in London got smacked over the head with an atlas

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he sees a "100% white" slogan,
And it does say "100% white" or not ? Also the white masks ?

A reference to club colours may be, or indeed political ?
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Yes, well, apparently now, AFTER Putin has played his little gambit in Ukraine the way he has, and continues to, the Ukrainians when asked poll as 90+% of them clearly considering themselves unequivocally Ukranian, never mind their language.

It often takes wars to forge nations, to bring home to a group of people when they share a common fate — even if it's of Putin's un-declared kind.

Question is where there might be a tipping-point where the notion of a "Russian world" that extends outside the confines of the borders of the Russian Federation becomes untenable?
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And it does say "100% white" or not ? Also the white masks ?

A reference to club colours may be, or indeed political ?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Dynamo_Kyiv
I'm not sure about those gentlemen but the slogan wasn't originally supposed to have racist connotation.
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During the last two seasons before the breakup of the Soviet Union, Dynamo's kit was similar to Metalist, yellow shirts and blue shorts. This color scheme carried a symbolic meaning, representing the national colours of the yet-not-adopted Ukraine national flag. In the 1990 Soviet Cup Final, the yellow-blue Dynamo team thrashed the all-Red Lokomotiv 6–1 at Luzhniki Stadium. In the early years of Ukrainian independence, the club swapped their yellow colour for white. However blue remained one of Dynamo's colours and is still a main colour of the club's away kit.
With a slight political undertone probably - nothing unusual
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Isn't it strange that so many people of "color" see racism behind every bush and tree ? Playing the "race card" is so common these days that "true racism" tends to be ignored and overlooked because "racism" has been so overplayed for so long.

People simply need to evaluate their interaction with others based upon three things -- Character, Conduct and Attitude -- skin color or facial features should really play no role. Who actually cares what a "friend " looks like? The important thing is how we get along with our friends - and what we don't like about the folks that get under our skin.

I really don't care if you're Purple and have Green hair -- what matters to me is "who you are inside" -- your skin color doesn't make you the person that you are -- your Character, Conduct and Attitude do that and anything beyond is simply the wrapping on a package.
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Yes, well, apparently now, AFTER Putin has played his little gambit in Ukraine the way he has, and continues to, the Ukrainians when asked poll as 90+% of them clearly considering themselves unequivocally Ukranian, never mind their language.
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Isn't it strange that so many people of "color" see racism behind every bush and tree ? Playing the "race card" is so common these days that "true racism" tends to be ignored and overlooked because "racism" has been so overplayed for so long.
I agree in a way; today what is displayed and publicly announced as racism usually isn't. But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. For example I flew to Mexico a week ago with about 400 euros on my account, no return ticket and no clear answers to any of the immigration questions. What the border control did was check my passport, noticed it was Finnish and told me to have a great time. However, whenever my girlfriend came to Europe she had to, each time, go through the whole process; all papers need to be in strict order and so forth.

I wouldn't say that is racism as such, but I certainly have a far easier life because I am a white and from Finland. That is a sort of a race card I can use anywhere and have it easy.
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Yes -- we know that racism exists and is an unfortunate things when it occurs. The fact that so many instances of someone calling something "racism" when it isn't, diminishes the reaction when it is true racism.

There are a lot of people and even some groups of people that I don't like -- but it has nothing to do with the pigmentation of their skin and has everything to do with their Character, Conduct and Attitude
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Yes -- we know that racism exists and is an unfortunate things when it occurs. The fact that so many instances of someone calling something "racism" when it isn't, diminishes the reaction when it is true racism.

There are a lot of people and even some groups of people that I don't like -- but it has nothing to do with the pigmentation of their skin and has everything to do with their Character, Conduct and Attitude
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LOL -- I know -- I'm just one of many in the basket of deplorables
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Then why post a link? In any case, what "Racism" ?
Isn't that a term invented by Trotsky?

And you know... what the hell;



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