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The M18 Hellcat managed to have the R975 Radial, Front Drive and a low silhouette

It had a low drive shaft, which allowed the turret to sit lower



Torsion Bar suspension didn't hurt, either
The drive shaft was the primary determinant of height. The use of a turret basket in most US tanks determined the rest.
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The M18 Hellcat managed to have the R975 Radial, Front Drive and a low silhouette

It had a low drive shaft, which allowed the turret to sit lower



Torsion Bar suspension didn't hurt, either
The torsion bar suspension did hurt hull height, actually, since it took up vertical room inside the hull in contrast to the M10's VVSS. The M18 featured transfer cases at the engine and transmission that lowered the driveshaft. It also lacked a turret basket. Speaking of its transmission, prototypes had the transmission and final drives in the rear, but the switch to the heavier 76 mm gun forced the designers to switch to a front drive design for weight distribution.
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The torsion bar suspension did hurt hull height, actually, since it took up vertical room inside the hull in contrast to the M10's VVSS.
didn't hurt as still was substantially lower, and the couple of inches the sleeves and rods took up do add more strength to the hulls mine resistance,
plus gave a great ride, something VVSS or even HVSS wasn't so good at.

Even with a Sherman with a big enough motor to reach 55 mph, you wouldn't want to be in it.

Unless you have a lot of padding all over the interior, or 5 point harness for everybody

But the inches taken up below the driveshaft, did not impact the vertical position of that driveshaft itself, which did effect the turret location, that in turn mandated the overall size of the hull
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didn't hurt as still was substantially lower
Ah, gotcha now.
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Those are both WWII era. One start, the other end.
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The Pz I was initially called an "agriculturial tractor" to get around the Treaty of Versailles. The Pz II was originally intended as just a training tank replacing the Pz I. The lack of production numbers meant that both ended up being placed in service as combat vehicles, something the Wehrmacht never intended.
There was also the fact that mass-producing even the Panzer I and II allowed an entirely new industry to find its feet.

Setting up Panzer IV production from scratch would've been an impossibility, but adapting an experienced labour force and existing machinery to produce new types was feasible.
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