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Old 15 Feb 17, 19:54
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FIVE EYES

What happens to the Five Eyes intelligence cooperation if there is a worry that one of the five eyes is suspected by the other four of leaking information to the enemy. By enemy I mean Russia. The Five Eyes refers to Canada, USA, Britain, NZ, and Australia who cooperate on signal intelligence. It has it's roots in just after WW2 when these nations who trust each other pool their information. The Five Eyes arrangement was never really widely known about until the 1990's. The arrangement makes sense to me. Mind you, Snowden asserts that these five countries all spy on each other and then share information in order for host countries to obtain information about their citizens that they couldn't get domestically by legal means which might be true. I don't really have a problem with that so long that it isn't abused and it keeps us all safer. That isn't the OP. The OP is what happens to Five Eyes if the other four member states begin to be worried about sharing information if the President of one of those countries might be in cahoots with the Russians?
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I should add that it puzzled me that the ex-MI5 operative travelled to Halifax to meet with McCain about the information that he had (that was leaked to Buzz-Feed) about possible Trump cooperations with Russia, Did he not trust going through normal channels with his information?
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If trust is not there with the Americans, I propose they be replaced with Germany.

Serious, why not invite Germany into the Five-Eyes intelligence-sharing framework? Germany’s complicated domestic privacy laws make cooperation among its own intelligence entities and key government ministries exceptionally difficult. Inclusion of Germany would only add capability to existing members’ portfolios.
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Apparently the 1970s-1980s Australian intelligence community was so heavily penetrated with soviet moles that 5 eyes became 4, CIA went heavy with the black marker when sharing with Australia back then. Today Russia looks like the adult in a world were Western elites are taking their countries to hell
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What happens to the Five Eyes intelligence cooperation if there is a worry that one of the five eyes is suspected by the other four of leaking information to the enemy. By enemy I mean Russia. The Five Eyes refers to Canada, USA, Britain, NZ, and Australia who cooperate on signal intelligence. It has it's roots in just after WW2 when these nations who trust each other pool their information. The Five Eyes arrangement was never really widely known about until the 1990's. The arrangement makes sense to me. Mind you, Snowden asserts that these five countries all spy on each other and then share information in order for host countries to obtain information about their citizens that they couldn't get domestically by legal means which might be true. I don't really have a problem with that so long that it isn't abused and it keeps us all safer. That isn't the OP. The OP is what happens to Five Eyes if the other four member states begin to be worried about sharing information if the President of one of those countries might be in cahoots with the Russians?
I'm fairly certain the other four eyes can recognise a disinformation campaign being waged by the fifth eye in an effort to make an unexpected president toe the company line.
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I'm fairly certain the other four eyes can recognise a disinformation campaign being waged by the fifth eye in an effort to make an unexpected president toe the company line.
Not if fifth-eye had swapped out the glasses of four-eyes.
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I doubt there is complete trust now or ever has been. It is more a case of these being the closest culturally aligned nations, with similar laws and values. A shared history - see Churchill's 'History of the English Speaking People's'.

Everyone cheats and lies a bit, we just do it less with each other.
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