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ďNazis,Ē said Indiana Jones. ďI hate these guys.Ē One of the great, smirking asides in action cinema. For the past 70 years there has been no more reliable bad guy in pop culture than the Nazi.

We never argued about the propriety of punching them, pushing them into an airplane propeller or melting their faces off when Dr. Jones was doing it in the Reagan 1980s. Yet today, thanks to social media and Reddit and the innate contrarianism of comment culture, here we are: Some racist who graduated from the University of Chicago (Indyís alma mater!) caught an MMA elbow to the face at the inauguration, and now weíre having a nice Donahue-style, virtue-signaling rhubarb about whether that was OK.

This satirical mod for 1992ís Wolfenstein 3D, which obligates B.J. Blazkowicz to reason with Nazis with constructive dialogue before opening fire, illustrates the uselessness of it all. The mod was made by Ramsey Nasser, a Tennessee native with Lebanese citizenship.
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I play Fallout Los Vegas where I play a gal who's not trigger shy. Point is its a game, A really good one, but I don't do it in real life...

Much like I don't go wandering around in sexy negligees...

She does...
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I had a prof. at Purdue who had left Germany in '37 with his family. Went to Palestine and in '39 he joined the Jewish Brigade of the British Army. Fought in North Africa and Italy. Later he taught at Sandhurst before moving to the US. One time he told me "Killing Nazis was a good thing then and it's STILL A GOOD IDEA!" I didn't argue.
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Problem is you wouldn't know a Nazi if you saw one.

Only in computer games do they still wear the convenient Hugo Boss uniforms.

If one was to post here on the ACG, and keep his trap shut about Hitler and the Jews, only talk about contemporary issues, how would you know ?

Edit, say you get to ask three questions to "find the Nazi" - what would they be ?
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Problem is you wouldn't know a Nazi if you saw one.

Only in computer games do they still wear the convenient Hugo Boss uniforms.

If one was to post here on the ACG, and keep his trap shut about Hitler and the Jews, only talk about contemporary issues, how would you know ?

Edit, say you get to ask three questions to "find the Nazi" - what would they be ?
They usually give themselves away, one even specifically admitted that they were. But even if they don't self declare they will tend to bring Jews/Israel into a thread where they have no obvious relevance or post links to Nazi like imagery or known anti Semitic/neo Nazi websites to support their position. They are not hard to spot.
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They usually give themselves away, one even specifically admitted that they were. But even if they don't self declare they will tend to bring Jews/Israel into a thread where they have no obvious relevance or post links to Nazi like imagery or known anti Semitic/neo Nazi websites to support their position. They are not hard to spot.
Well yes - or they have "18" tattooed in their neck or wear a little swastika as a necklace, and claim it's a reference to Indian symbolism.

But assuming the smartest among them don't have such tell-tale signs, could you tell a Nazi from a non-Nazi by simply engaging in political /philosophical discussion ?

I doubt it.
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Well yes - or they have "18" tattooed in their neck or wear a little swastika as a necklace, and claim it's a reference to Indian symbolism.

But assuming the smartest among them don't have such tell-tale signs, could you tell a Nazi from a non-Nazi by simply engaging in political /philosophical discussion ?

I doubt it.
They aren't that smart.....
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So you would define a Nazi only by his actions - not by his convictions or opinions ?

Someone who doesn't visit Semitic/neo Nazi websites (why would he, they're filled with idiots), doesn't go on about the Jews (They're mostly in Israel anyway - where they belong) or Hitler (that bastard screwed our chances of beating the liberals and the communists in the last war) -

but still believes the strong have the right exploit the weak for instance - (since that is the natural order of things after all),

Nazi or not ?
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Snow, as usual you are taking a simple situation and making it complicated.
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The road to hell is paved with simplifications..

But I do take your point, I'm off for a drink and will concentrate my efforts on a forum game tomorrow, see ya
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