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According to a popular myth, we drafted our agreement while drunk," says Shushkevich. "This is completely wrong! Of course, it was a typical Soviet arrangement, and alcohol was freely available everywhere in the residence - but no-one touched it. The most we would allow ourselves was a drop of brandy every time we adopted a new article."
In the next few hours, 14 articles in all were adopted. By about 15:00, the document confirming the dissolution of the USSR was ready.
So only 14 "drops of Brandy" one has to wonder what they would have come up with if they had been drinking seriously

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A few liters of brandy would hardly faze most Russians, I think.
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Cold weather does have a way of removing alcohol effects, and extrem subzero temps more so.

Its fine to claim that if you ise alcohol for 'internal insulation' that its going to dehydrate you, but really, the heat it generates outweighs such considerations in a subzero landscape; with at least melted snow available, the only objective is internal heating.

I really do fail to see how the Soviets could possibly have operated subzero WITHOUT it. Stories of soldiers failing in assault, and then laying in the snow, fairly motionless for hours on end, to suddenly rise up and continue the attack with the same vigour as before, are legion on Ostfront...

And a lack of alcohol makes them well nigh impossible.
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Cold weather does have a way of removing alcohol effects, and extrem subzero temps more so.

Its fine to claim that if you ise alcohol for 'internal insulation' that its going to dehydrate you, but really, the heat it generates outweighs such considerations in a subzero landscape; with at least melted snow available, the only objective is internal heating.

I really do fail to see how the Soviets could possibly have operated subzero WITHOUT it. Stories of soldiers failing in assault, and then laying in the snow, fairly motionless for hours on end, to suddenly rise up and continue the attack with the same vigour as before, are legion on Ostfront...

And a lack of alcohol makes them well nigh impossible.
It increases blood flow through the fine capillaries at the surface which makes you feel warmer but allows heat to be lost faster so it is best used to warm you up after you have come in out of the cold. This is why the British WW1 rum ration was issued in the morning after a long cold night in the trench. (In the same way that an apres ski is apres). Contrary to popular misconception, in WW1 the British rum ration was reduced or even withheld prior to an attack. I'm sure sensible armies in WW2 would also consider inebriated soldies in an attack a liability at best.

I'm not sure that tall tales being repeated necessarily is proof of accuracy
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This "sober" you speak of...
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